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Name: Tan Sri Mohd Ali Hashim

Job Position: President of the Malaysian Islamic Chamber of Commerce &Former CE of Johor

Cor!oration

Place of Inter"ie#: $

%enth of Inter"ie# time: ' ho(r ) min(tes and ) seconds*

Persons Details

Tan Sri

(Clicking sound)…You from same faculty dengan ni Dr.Normah ni apa

semua ni tadi !nter"ie#er interrupted$ Same% ya same& eh same ini

!nter"ie#er interrupted$ 'aculty of ccountancy&

'acult of ccountancy !nter"ie#er$ ut it *ust that ! didn+t *oin ,!% !+m

parked at the faculty% at the faculty ya% you are not #ith ,!% -ut you are

….to participate aa…&

Inter"ie#er

Aa**so+ I ,(st bein bro(ht in by -r*Fai.ah to be in"ol"ed in+ !re"io(sly I CS/

b(t no# cor!orate*aa**on #a0af and I come in #ith res!ect to the 0(alitati"e !art

the1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: Ah+ CS/ is till on23

4e #e ha"e act(ally com!leted the data collection so no# its act(ally come of

the data 1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: 5(t as a acti"ity**as it is**so #a0f ni**!art of

CS/ no+3 Ah+ CS/ basically #e ha"e com!leted 1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted:

ooh**I see+ no# yo( are foc(s in on #a0f23

So+ this is the ne#+ the ne#**aa**research !ro,ect* 1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: I

thin6 this is too more bier and m(ch more challenin than a CS/3

Ah+ 7es

1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted:**macam t( dah ada banya6 literat(re+ ye3

Ah /iht*

1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: ta!i hat ni3

Inter"ie#ee 6ay+1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 6ay3 shoot

Inter"ie#er

So+ aa*yo(r e8!lanation*1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: 7(!3yesterday #as a"e (s a

better (nderstandin es!ecially on my !art 1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: mmhhmm3

This is ne# to me+ so it i"e (s incl(din me a better (nderstandin of #hat

cor!orate #a0f 1inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: Mhhmm3 is all abo(t aa**b(t still on

o(r !art+ #e need to read more on aa** the !a!er and also aa**Tan Sri aa9*1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: 7(!3 aa**1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: Ha"e yo( come

across my boo6 ta62 Hari t( saya ada !(blish3

7o( mentioned yesterday+ 1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: 7es**+ yo( can read it+ I ha"e

a co!y**3

Is it a"ailable in the boo6 store2

Inter"ie#ee It is !(blished by t(san P(blications and emm**and**a it co(ld be t(san+ it is


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a"ailable if yo( #ant**

Inter"ie#er In MPH2 is it a"ailable at MPH2

Inter"ie#ee

It (sed to be+ b(t it #as a**in the**a**b(t+ it( hari saya !eri MPH ta6 ,(m!e+ na6

b(y**so**b(t if yo( need a co!ies+ yo( let me 6no#+ beca(se I also can ha"e

access to+ I mean in case yo( need more than**one la 6ata6an ye+ (nt(6 library 6e

a!e sem(a ye+ 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Aa**3 6ala( na6 it(+ let me 6no#**ye+ b(t

I #ill try to find**they #ill ha"e one (!stairs ada co!y 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

7an -r*Fai.ah ha"e that already or**are #e9 3

I don;t 6no#+ 6ala( dia ta6de then I #ill i"e it to her and then yo( can share

1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Ah**7es3

ther+ i**i ,(st nothin ha"e b(t one or t#o co!ies+ e8ce!t for they ha"e it here+

beca(se I ha"e**+ I tho(ht I ha"e it there or I ha"e it here*


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-r*Fai.ah #o(ld be+ 1inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: -r*Fai.ah3 she is** 1Inter"ie#ee

interr(!ted: she is a coordinator ye+3

She is the leader of !ro,ect then**then #e can all share** second=

h+**this is in 5ahasa ye2

Inter"ie#ee


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Inter"ie#eeSee+ 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: That;s not ood3** that;s ho# bad Malay

enter!rises are**t(san is**they are lac6in there**

Inter"ie#er I #o(ld li6e to b(y one then**

Inter"ie#ee7a+ yo( let me 6no#+ a!e**c(ba yo( tanya nanti a!a sem(a**6al( ada**maybe a

ro(!+ #o(ld li6e t(+ a member 6e ta!i it is in Malay ye**

Inter"ie#er -alam 9

Inter"ie#ee

Ada t#o three cha!ters s!ecifically on cor!orate #a0f+ and ada cha!ters rela"nt

to** its all abo(r JCor!**and ye** and**em!hasis is the #hy #e do it differently+

"al(es and its rational+ the reason for doin it**not ,(st for the sa6e of bein

different**

Inter"ie#er And this totally #ill be o(r main reference+ one of o(r main reference**

1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: Ah**3o6ay**

Inter"ie#ee

9 beca(se they ha"e statistics inside it+ #hich yo( can co(ld**aa**aa**this

!artic(lar one I #rote #hen I #as still CE+ so I had access to some n(mber and

since on 6an**so I had a s(!!ort of JCor! !(nya ini**the ne8t boo6+ I don;t ha"e

the s(!!ort of the toolsInter"ie#er This is ?@''2

Inter"ie#ee

-ah !rinted > 6ali dah t(+ eh ni bera!a2 Ta6de**bel(m**t( ''**oooh**this one is

oriinal**they already ha"e another re"ised 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: /e"i(sed**3

!rintin a!a sem(a**ta!i ta6de re**1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: chanes23 I;m sayin

re**re !rint canti6+ they didn;t do any chanes**

Inter"ie#er So+ the re !rint is ?@'2

Inter"ie#ee

7es**d(a 6ali**so dah ada tia and it one the**the**1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Ah ya+

I did heard that3 5oo6 of the 7ear by the Persat(an**a!e nama dia**ada dia !(nya

it( !ersat(an

Inter"ie#er So+ it is sell o(t ye Tan Sri+ beca(se #e can;t et it at the**at the store

Inter"ie#ee

7a**b(t**to me**it is the st(!idity of the


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Inter"ie#ee

5(t yo( ha"e to read it first+ b(atnya yo( ta6 faham+ I mean 1Inter"ie#er

interr(!ted: 7es+ of co(rse+ I #o(ld li6e to read it9he he3**this

#riter**!en(lisan**I;m not a**yo( 6no#**aa**

Inter"ie#er This all come from yo(r real e8!erience**

Inter"ie#ee Ah**ya**of co(rse* So + bac6 to the iss(e se6aran**

Inter"ie#er 6ay+ so yesterday Tan Sri has elaborated on the !ath+ #hich basicallyrefer**reflectin on JCor! as a cor!orate**#hat #e called**cor!orate mother

Inter"ie#ee 7es+ mother cor!oration*

Inter"ie#er Mother cor!oration and so the !resent #hat #e doin no# on cor!orate**

Inter"ie#ee

The reason of #hy the conce!t of mother cor!oration is im!ortant is beca(se

no# eh**#hen yo( don;t ha"e a str(ct(red a!!roach Malays and M(slims

b(sinesses ni+ indi"id(alistic**(ncoordinated**yo( missed o(t** beca(se today+

name of the ame+ yo( #ant to #in+ yo( m(st ha"e critical mass9*so yo( m(st

b(ild cor!ora**te ca!acity**ye**most of b(siness ni+ e"en they ha"e family based+

they cannot become mother cor!oration+ beca(se9accordin to the M(slims

!(nya #ay !(la6**the Chinese ta6**dia !ass based on !rinci!ally to them+ first

son+ sho# the family #ealth+**sho# those intact**they ha"e those for the mother

conce!t #ell** 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 6ay3**b(t the str(ct(re that #ill**

Amon M(slim+ faraid boleh 6asi ta62 Im not aainst faraid lah 6an+ ye***

1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Ah+ 7a**3the**aa**bila faraid come scene**aa*it( yan

(ntil today+ the Arabs+ e"entho(h they #ent b(siness early+ 6ita ta6de cyclical9

there is no critical mass**today+ if yo( don;t ha"e critical mass+ yo( cannot

com!ete**then yo(+ ne8t eneration start o"er aain**o"er aain**ana6 se!(l(h

dah !ecah se!(l(h+ then yo( ha"e to reb(ild aain+ reb(ild**so+ #e;ll ne"er be

able to #ait**so+ #e need to ha"e a conce!t of a mother cor!oration**the best is

#a0f beca(se #a0f ni yo( don;t** 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: c(t to**3**yo( don;t

distrib(te it to yo(r children 6an**ha**yo( #ant to i"e yo(r children bahaian

lain**yan yo( #a0f**#ill contin(e and find the best talent+ !(t them in+ b(t**it is

not for his o#n sa6e+ that is #hy mother cor!oration conce!t is im!ortant**ye**it

is for the sa6e of f(ndamentally creatin entre!rene(r o!!ort(nities for yo(n

M(slim in the f(t(re**yan ade access to money ta!i ada talent 6an*ha**

1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a**3** macam mana na6 screen or !rofile them 6an**so

that**


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Alhamd(lillah3+ the one Johor cor!oration in"ol"ed into+ one of the to!

com!any;s (nder yo(**and**and the An N(r cor!oration and no# comm(nity

dri"en #a0f that yo( are tryin to**aa**de**de"elo!**so+ that;s mean !eo!le ha"e

seen and this thro(h**yo(r boo6+ ne#s!a!er articles+ they ha"e seen+ they ha"e

read and they ha"e heard from yo( the s(ccess stories+ b(t #hy it is still diffic(lt

for them to acce!t this cor!orate #a0f2

Inter"ie#ee This is act(ally**ahmm**on**there are many b(sinesses that !ro"e** that;s

#hy**aa**!re!aredness amon the !(blic to acce!t it**#hy2I ha"e

attended**!artici!ated in these t#o international conressess+ one is

ehmm**P(tra#an and one is s!ecifically oranised by**ahm****by**Ma,lis Aama

Islam toether* In both conresses+ the first one also oranised by MAPIM ye+ I

don;t 6no# ya**ehm**emm**a!a nama** b(6an MAPIM**ahmm**there is a body

yan**eh**a!a nama**economic Islam Malaysia**#hat**yayasan**7APEIM+

7APEIM**by 7APEIM ya+ the ne8t one+ national le"el 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

6ay3**#as in"ol"ed e"erybody incl(din !olitician* Second one+ e"en in"ol"edra,a$ra,a+ /a,a$/a,a #as there+ /a,a M(da Perlis #as there+ ada dari!ada !a!er

and it in"ol"es sem(a Ma,lis Aama$Aama Islam**beca(se+ #hen yo( #ant to

do #a0f co!orate+ yo( m(st et Ma,lis Aama Islam to chane**1Inter"ie#er

interr(!ted: It is at le"el state23**national le"el**1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

National le"el*3**both are national le"el**yan state t( lain**smaller+ yan it(

banya6 saya !eri and**both conresses national le"el+ dia ada dia !(nya

!(blication**yo( can access to them**dalam t( clearly resol"e to acce!t and it**

the second is !artic(lar resol"e to**the**for the establishment of one**at least one

national #a0f cor!oration and each one at state le"el* So+ canti6 dah t(+ d(rin

the conress a!a sem(a+ the sol(tion* 5(t #hen it comes**it comes to carryin ito(t1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: the re(lation3than that it is #hen #ill disc(ss

abo(t it+ o6ay* My assessment is beca(se of the a!a**a!a nama**its from their

!ers!ecti"e it is re0(ires leislati"e chane**and chane is somethin**nobody

li6es**not**!artic(larly nobodies so #e are act more conser"ati"e* Many of them+

beca(se they feel li6e chane it+ chane means is to amble #ith somethin is

(n6no#n 6an**ha**so**ya**many of them**sat(* 7an 6ed(a+ its threaten their

c(rrent !osition+ so ta6 boleh* 7an 6etia+ beca(se**!recisely beca(se it is

Islamic 9la* nder o(r constit(tion+ means it becomes (nder ra,a$ra,a* 4hen it

comes to the consent of ra,a$ra,a+ I ha"e #or6 in Johor+ indirectly ,(a I ha"e

#or6 (nder the S(ltan* I #o(ldn;t be able to establish #a0f cor!orate if I don;t

ha"e a s!ecial relationshi! #ith S(ltan of Johor* 7o( can read inside the reason

#hy* I became closed+ beca(se let me tell yo( this is the bac6ro(nd* 4hen I

first became the CE at the ae of >D+ tia 6ali saya di titah menhada! S(ltan

Is6andar+ and that #as before the constit(tional amendment by Mahathir*

Mahathir bar( ,adi Prime Minister #hen I became CE+ S(ltan Is6andar bar(

,adi ra,a #hen I became CE* At that time+ 6ed(d(6an ra,a$ra,a denan S(ltan


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Is6andar* -ia !a6ai (niform la+ he;s 6no#n for his sla! to sh(t

!eo!le1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7es3**so yo( 6no# that bac6ro(nd ye**so his

first titah #hen he became amon the ma,or one+ #hen he became S(ltan #as to

closed o(r hos!ital+ hos!ital yan Siti Saadiah b(at t( 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

Ah3bar( start 6at ,alan besar**,(st has si8 doctors+ bar( recr(it them+ hos!ital dah

b(ilt** na6 o!erate+ dia titah s(r(h t(t(!* 5ila dia titah s(r(h t(t(! 1Inter"ie#er

interr(!ted: Sebab a!a ya Tan Sri23**sim!le**dia**he #as missin from* /a,a$ra,a

ni biasa it(**he #as missin from**he #as**or deliberately missin from by

sayin that there is corr(!tion and this is not ood for Johor beca(se it #as to

ta6e a#ay**S(ltan ni 6ala( dia sa6it+ dia na6 the best doctors+ so the messae that

to their self !eo!le is they are oin to ta6e a#ay yo( doctors+ the ood doctors+

they are oin to o a#ay from o"ernment ser"ice beca(se this is attracti"e*

Meman bet(l+ at that time+ si8 doctors #ere already left o"ernment ser"ice to

,oin them* 4here else yo( can et doctors than from o"ernment ser"ice so there

that they #ant to b(ild* 5(t one thin reat abo(t his**i mean his*e"en**elaatdia macam ila$ila ye 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Hmm3 b(6an ila**dia ila$ila

ya**b(t+ one thin that is reat from him from my "ie# !oint is**he is the ty!e

#ho li6es to satisfy himself+ he ,(st analyst+ doesn;t #ant to listen so+ in the first

instance+ I ,(st told him that+ he still recalled**b(t that time I #asn;t e"en a CE

masa t(+ Tan Sri 5ashir #as+ b(t Tan Sri 5ashir has been remo"ed beca(se it+

bila !olitical chanes ni+ he #as more in o"ernment**mo"ed dah**!eri bali6 6e

(ala %(m!(r+ saya #as the acti"e ni a!a nama**so he called me three times+

e"ery time+ I told my #ife+ be !re!ared ? ho(rs+ #e may ha"e to lea"e* So+

b(t**e"ery**three times I stood (!**aa**this is ad"antae I also ha"in of a**I ha"e a

"ery**ah**my father #as ins!ector !olice+ "ery strict+ "ery (!riht+ "ery solid+ya**and I ot a lot of disci!line from him+ and no nonsense**6ala( dia na6

mela#at se6olah+ (r($(r(+ (r( besar ni 6adan$6adan ter6encin ye+ dia

!(nya ta6(t de6at dia+ #hat I;m oin to say that S(ltan ni meman oran ta6(t+

aran 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3+ b(t to me beca(se saya re# (! denan

en"ironment #here my father ye+ bila yo( ana6+ 6ita na6 en,oy life+ 6adan$

6adan na6 main denan 6a#an$6a#an ta6 !a6ai ba,(+ my father ta6 bai b(t if

yo( ta6 !a6ai+ yo( !a6ai ba,(+ 6a#an yo( ta6 !a6ai ba,(+ yo( are not the

member**aa**the member of the 6am!(n !(la6**6an**so+ 6adan$6adan 6ena la

belasah bila bali6+ na6**so**I mean**the lin6 is**bila dia beit( aran+ my father+

saya sifat6an dia oran**emm**S(ltan ni macam #hen I #as li6e re# (!+

1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: yo( ha"e been trained3**dan saya ta6 ta6(t+ oran lain

ta6(t* I don;t ha"e that fear and I #as able to artic(late the reason no#+ and

he**he is+ that #as S(ltan #ill brin in a(dit+ 6ala( Ineris+ a(dit de!artment

(na that !eriod Johor+ they chec6 c(rrently abo(t the han6y !an6y thins and so

on+ he bro(ht in the !olice+ the anti corr(!tion aency+ he bro(ht in+ beca(se


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he is a access+ dia titah ,e b(t the reat thin abo(t him is+ he deals directly+

satisfied himself+ bila dia ta6 ada !roof+ and I #as able to con"ince him of this

"iability and after that s(ddenly #hen #e s(cceed ni**finally**S(ltan ta6 minta

maaf 6at 6ita**dia b(at salah !(n**ni**ni b(6an salah dia+ dia salah informed* Sat(

hari t( dia datan+ dia ca6a! 6at saya + dia tanya saya+ #hy don;t yo(+ 6ita dah

ada hos!ital de6at (ala %(m!(r+ 6at Pera6 6e a!a+ #hy don;t yo( !asan

bendera Johor 6at hos!ital$hos!ital t(* That to me+ he didn;t say that yo( 6no#+

that;s to me+ he is sayin that+ %oo6**ha**+ yo( are in the riht trac6+ I s(!!ort

yo(* 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: the reconition3**reconition ye**aa**he became

!ro(d #ith it and he 0(ic6ly+ in fact+ bila dia sa6it+ dia ta6 !ernah !eri 6at

hos!ital 6era,aan+ riht from the one le!as t(+ he al#ays o o(r** one of o(r

hos!ital* So+ that;s one is by the #ay of S(ltan ye+ says it**this is**this is the

im!ortant bac6ro(nd of ho# #e #ere able to do the #a0f and that**I;m sorry

6ala( distract yo( !(nya !iha6

Inter"ie#er No+ its o6ay+ beca(se**beca(se yo( are sharin the**the !rocess**

Inter"ie#ee 7a+ and the reality of it and this somethin that yo( need to o"ercome ya**In

other state+ after I retired+ after I resined+ I #as !ers(ade this idea #a0f to the

S(ltan+ and I told yo(+ I #ent to many state* Some toether #ith -at(6 Seri Idris

J(soh #hen he #anted to established his I0ra; ye+ I #ent to e"ery ahead #ith it+

to Pera6+ to Selanor b(t Terenan(+ he co(ldn;t et access the a(torithy from

Terenan( beca(se dia !(nya relationshi! denan S(ltan ta6 6ena* This is aain

the iss(e the establish #a0f**in this case it is not the S(ltan+ #e don;t* #e met

only one or t#o S(ltan+ li6e a S(ltan of Pera6+ A.lan+ se6aran+ masa t( dia ra,a

m(da+ dia chairman+ ta!i he still didn;t i"e* Finally+ I came to the concl(sion ya+I mentioned yesterday+ it;s !erha!s that I0ra; initiati"e by -at(6 Seri Idris J(soh

is a !olitical initiati"e by somebody from the bier de!artment and I

(nderstand+ from my !ro!er disc(ssion #ith Istana !eo!le+ I tend to et to 6no#

themsel"es ea**the /a,a M(da of Pera6 at that time+ the chairman of**a!a

nama**emm**Ma,lis Aama Islam Pera6 has 9to i"e m(ta##ali stat(s to a

!olitically dri"en entity beca(se**his ar(ment is loical+ rational**beca(se he

doesn;t #ant+ if yo( established #a0f cor!orate+ cor!oration 6e+ it;s the same in

Pera6+ established by MN and beso6 PAS na6 establish lai+ and then they

start to 0(arrel lai+ and they #ant to ta6e Islamic iss(e ni+ #hich is riht a!art

the !olitics* So+ this time aro(nd+ #hen I #anted to establish A#0af Holdin

5erhad+ I detached myself from any !olitical lin6+ so yo( became a !rofessional

name by the chamber+ in !olitical+ in my chamber I;m a !assed member+ I

co(ldn;t care less abo(t their !olitical 9*and #e don;t let**allo# them to brin it

in o(r disc(ssion**no !olitic*Alhamd(lillah+ #e #ill be able to con"ince Neeri

Sembilan* Allah !(nya 6(asa lai !(n+ and Neeri Sembilan lebih m(dah as I

said+ beca(se the ambitio(s chairman* So+ meanin a lot of #ater has o+ #e had


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to do a lot of #or6 consistenly aainst all odds+ yo(;ll be s(r!rised+ o"er for fi"e

years+ my collea(e+ yo( can inter"ie# 6ala( yo( ta6 6isah* He came alon #ith

me and ralise ho# to(ht it is* Sem(a+ bila seb(t !asal #a0f+ non M(slim+

es!ecially not oran ma,lis 6e+ m(fti$m(fti 6an+ #ill say that #a0f is not ood*

5(t #hen it come to carry it o(t beca(se it entails**leislati"e chane+ chanin

la#s+ !olitician has to in"ol"ed+ ra,a #ent to in"ol"e+ administrators is ,ealo(s of

their !osition of term and so on+ yo( 6no# administrators at o"ernment ser"ant+

they #ant to**their**their loo6 after their territory+ they defend their term+

,ealo(sy* I thin6 that;s it the reason #hy they ot**b(t**in s!ite of those**of those

constraints**aa**my collea(e and I+ o(r mission is to try to**to li6e in Johor+ to do

it+ #ithin the frame#or6 of the e8istin leislation* Na6 t(n( amendment+

se!(l(h tah(n lai+ I can ass(re that #e miht not be able to et it* T#enty years

also+ the rate+ o(r !olitician beha"io(r+ they are not abo(t to chane it (!**they

are not abo(t to chane anythin and their aenda is not chane+ I thin6* They

tal6 abo(t transformation and the thins+ and that;s a ood+ so ho# to carried o(t+ma6e it !ossible e"en #ith the conte8t of c(rrent constraint* Alhamd(lillah+ #e

able to b(ild A#0af Cor!oration+ and**-r*Ali.a+ if yo( see of #a0f as I

mentioned yesterday+ all yo( need is one or t#o li6e this beca(seit is a cor!orate

#a0f !recisely+ #e can o any#here+ #e can e"en o lobal based on m(ta##ali

stat(s e"en i"en by Neeri Sembilan* Peo!le #ill as6 #hy Neeri Sembilan

i"e yo( and then yo( #ill o all o"er+ I came !oint to 4a0f An$N(r+ Johor #ith

(s* PJ 6ita dah #a6af6an+ PJ has ot b(sinesses thro(h o(t the co(ntry it is+

the same* And the (lim+ sat( lai com!any yan 6ita dah**6ita dah #a6af6an

share+ (lim+ they ha"e e"en b(sinesses com!any at that one of time e"en listed

in %ondon* So+ #hich mean+ this is the !o#er of cor!orate #a0f* 7o( can crossthe bo(ndaries+ is lobal* 4a0f after all+ is more than lobal+ (ni"ersal* T(han

,adi6an ye+ meman**

Inter"ie#er No#+ and hereafter**

Inter"ie#ee7es+ E8actly+so+it is totally borderless in the tr(e sentence**the #ords here and

hereafter**

Inter"ie#er 5(t still+ is "ery challenin is it for yo(2

Inter"ie#ee It is+ b(t that is entre!rene(rshi!* Parts of entre!rene(rshi!**if yo( loo6

entre!rene(rshi! !(rely as a b(siness aa**G

term**terminoloy as an economic terminoloy**its related only to #ealthcreation* So+ in M(slim co(ntries+it is not eno(h to ,(st to de"ote yo(r foc(s on

#ealth creation+ ho# to bac6 yo(r str(ct(re of a com!any+ ho# to com!ete+ ho#

to mar6et+ ho# to !rod(ce a !rod(ct most efficiently done**ya**

In the M(slim;s conte8t+ yo( m(st o beyond all that* 5eca(se first of all+ yo(

#ant to chane mind set* 7o( ha"e to correct any contradiction bet#een c(rrent

cor!orate str(ct(res and**and !ractices as lobally 6no#n com!ared #ith


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as!iration+and** f(ndamental as!iration of a M(slim* There are tradition*

Inter"ie#er So+ ho# do yo( co!e abo(t that chanin of mindset of this #orld2

Inter"ie#ee This is #hy a lot of of lobal also is**b(t (se this islamic #ay* First of all+ re

define e"erythin+ scan e"erythin in the conte8t of Islamic !rinci!les+ Islamic

"al(es+ Islamic+ the Shariah+ so #hat are the f(ndamental**there are fe#

f(ndamentals amon them+ first of all+ the halal haram aa**then the effect is

easier to tac6le ha**b(t the mindset iss(e+ the moti"ational iss(e+ for e8am!le the

moti"ational side+ that;s #hy #e (sed ,ihad* nce yo( (sed ,ihad+ all the

!rinci!als related to ,ihad+ bai yo(+ yo( (se it+ yo( ha"e to define+ then yo(

ha"e ma6e s(re that it is all in line+ other #ay it is not ,ihad+ its ,ahat**ha**so+ the

challenes is riht on+ #e (sed #ord li6e ,ihad deliberately+ so that is no

nonsense+ no #aste+ no had**no com!romisin**#hen yo( see ,ihad means+ so

yo( need to define* So+ no more cor!orate enter!rise called their mission as

,ihadi mission+ if they don;t today+ macam recently+ 6era,aan !(n+ yo( miht

ha!!en+ a minister la(nchin ,ihad+ sebaai oran tenah 1Inter"ie#er

interr(!ted: Jihadi23 oran tenah**Minister of Aro b(siness**#hich to me+ is

nonsense* E"ery b(sinessman is an oran tenah asalnya+ yo( are 6an**e"ery

sinle b(siness+ niat dia t(+ dia marah6an cina sebaai oran tenah**a!a sem(a

sebaai oran tenah ta!i de6at Malaysia dia ta6 !a6ai oran tenah+ he (se the

term ,ihad* Jihad is a !eo!le+ yo( cannot (se ,ihad sebaai oran tenah*

/as(l(llah d(l( !ernah ,adi** (saha b(sinessman**at one of a time+ dia !(n oran

tenah beca(se yo( beli somethin and then yo( trade somethin 6an+ yo( b(y

from some#here+ oran lain !rod(ce+ yo( et s(!!ly to

c(stomer**cons(mer**they all oran tenah+ ban6ers oran tenah sem(a


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to be li6e them+ b(t #e cannot be li6e them+ they #ay they ha"e done it+ 6ita

6ena restr(ct(re* They themsel"es had (se the #est+ abo(t the str(ct(re+

o#nershi!+ that is #hy I to(ch a bit ye**1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3**aa**that;s

#hy #e need to redefine them+ #e #ant the o#nershi! to be combine #ith

entre!rene(rshi!+ that is their+aa**most dynamic**aa**conce!t abo(t entre!rene(r*

4hat #e na6+combine it o#nershi!+ ta!i 6ala( o#nershi! yo( na6 bai to

indi"id(al+ #e #ill ada!t the same #ay them+ the rich+ the richer ' control the

rest of (s+ the rest of (s+ 6ala( ta6 !oor !(n+ alienated marinialised+ ye**6e

te!i**dia ses(ai+ beca(se challene to the m(slims is to chane all this+ and that;s

#hy the (se term of ,ihad**beca(se it defines**it not ,(st**!andan de!osit**li6e

I5F+ Islamic 5an6in and Finance+ #e are doin the easy thins to some of them+

that are many are acc(sin li6e sim!ly off a!a nama**!a6ai6an ,(bah 6e!ada

ban6$ban6 barat b(t a ban6 is still a ban6* 5an6 is ne"er created initially for

!(r!oses of M(slim !(nya thro(ho(t the lon history of Islam+ the T(r6ey

sam!ai !on**ban6 ni dia still e8ist+ the e8istence there* 4a0f+ #hy didn;t #a0f+ehmm**a!a nama**#hy #asn;t M(slim;s able to !ro,ect #a0f+ to become a!a ni+

!ro,ect instit(tion+ beca(se #e all bloc6in o(rsel"es* Then+all to the ban6 !(nya

ban6 rate+today m(la$m(la oran melay( ni ta6 na6 yo(+ sebel(m 6ita ada

Islamic ban6in+ 6ita (na6an istilah**aa**faedah**b(6an interest**!adahal it( na6+

aa**s(!aya**6ita ni sensitif !asal riba; 6an+ 6ala( interest it( riba;+ faedah it(

sebenarnya riba; ,(a+ c(ma it is in Malay term+ not in Arabic term+Islamic

term**,adi**it so(nds li6e**6em(dian+ ta6 !e la+ ni si6it$si6it+ that;s ood (sta.+

le!as t( Islamic 5an6in and Finance+ and today #e are+ at the ede of a!a ni+

they had done "ery #ell+ b(t f(ndamentally is still ban6 fees+ and ban6 as

creat(re as intermediary+ it #ill not sol"e t#o !artic(larly !roblems+ ne"er+ beca(se it ,(st intermediaries instit(tions* Im!ortant 5(t it #ill ne"er be able to

sol"e t#o+ one is !o"erty+ mass !o"erty in social+ second it #ill not ha"e ya**a lot

of !eo!le #ill say that #e #ill al#ays been marinialised e"en (nder 7(n(s+

-r*7(n(s !(nya rameen 5an6 ye+ the system+ beca(se it still a ban6+ c(ma he

,(st a**(nder his brilliant* I;m sayin that he is ood ya+ I;m not tryin to

(ndermine aa**yo( 6no#+ b(t #e need it* It came in+ it came in the riht time+ b(t

it cannot be a sol(tion that resol"ed e"erythin+ beca(se it is ood to ha"e

ho(se#ife to be able to come in+ beca(se (nder his #ay+ he #as able to red(ce it

to > or somethin+ b(t it still at interest rate c(ma ye and yo( need an

intermediaries**and most !eo!le are still o(t of the loo6+ so+ ta6 !e+ yo( still can

o ahead+ b(t #e need to search and loo6 for other alternati"e instit(tions that

can do it+ that can ca!ital m(syara6ah+ it( !(nya debt+ #a0f cor!oration+mother

cor!oration t( 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3**to me+ #e don;t ha"e a model no#

b(t #e ,(st ot to do it+ in case !erha!s+ there is a sol(tion* The ,ob**aa**i mean+

#e can a!!reciate that lah+ so comin bac6 to yo(r 0(estion+ meanins that;s


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they already acce!tance* Thro(h seminar+ thro(h conferences and its already

address in any+ e"en it in same and in Islamic ban6in comm(nity b(t**one thin

I;m aainst this Islamic ban6in comm(nity+ is #hen they loo6 at #a0f+ they

loo6 at it ah**as a !rod(ct+ ho# to enhance Islamic ban6in and finance+ I;m not

loo6in at that+ to me+ that is not im!ortant if yo( reard #a0f as a**ban6in

!rod(cts+ or been islamic ban6in+ it;s still** yo( are limitin it+ narro# it* I;m

tal6in abo(t !ossibility of #a0f cor!oration o#nin ban6s and then yo( ha"e

the marinalised+ list of franchise+ (nlimited ma,ority and this is based on the

!remi(m+ ha"in a sta6e+ and to ass(re that yo( don;t alienate or marinalised or

#hate"er* So+ aa**therefore+ this are the conce!t(al chanes a!e nama+ the

f(ndamental+ definition of ,ihad b(siness+ definition of the cor!orate #a0f* Its

!osit reason that I mentioned yesterday+ I ha"e reistered+ I #anted to !ass it all

to Johor Cor!oration b(t they didn;t #ant to b(y it 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

6ay3** the co!yriht+ the terminoloies and #hat+ beca(se today I see e"en the

Malaysian o"ernment+ the res(lt of o(r**o(r #or6+ Alhamd(lillah* If yo( 6a,i bali6 ye+ the reason MN+ ann(al eneral meetin+ 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

7a3** one of the economic+ thro(h economic resol(tion on #a0f* Element

second n(mber eiht+ n(mber se"en said+ #a0f o"ernment m(st aa9a!a

nama**loo6 serio(sly into the de"elo!ment of #a0f asset**yan manae by ana6

(nder Ma,lis* N(mber eiht is clearly stated that o"ernment m(st im!lement

cor!orate #a0f* My fear is+ the inter!retation of cor!orate #a0f+ they narro# it

bali6 sem(la* -ia na6 allo# e8istin mechanism to ye+ dia ta6 na6 chane+

aa**ma6nanya Ma,lis Aama Islam+ so #hat ha!!en is+ Jabatan 4a0f di Jabatan

Perdana Menteri has been allotted fifty million+ fifty million rinit this year+ to

de"elo! #a0f* ood+ teta!i to me + its totally inade0(ate* 7o( are missin the !oint+ beca(se #hat they are oin to do is s!end that all D@ million rinit+

de"elo!+ bai d(it !ada Ma,lis yan ada se6aran+ its not transformation+ its not

chane #hat else* 4a0f is m(ch more ba"el instit(tion+ a chane ma6e it**err9a

chane create it+ it is initiati"e for total chane reformation*

Inter"ie#er So+ that;s it their definition of cor!orate #a0f**

Inter"ie#ee The definition of cor!orate #a0f+ if anybody die e"en the**1Inter"ie#er

interr(!ted: !assin to the+ #hat they do3**ya+ for the moment of based #hat they

had anno(nce ya* Ho!ef(lly+ they #ill rab it to other thin and f(rthermore*

And some states has established #a0f fo(ndation* Selanor is one+ if I;m not

mista6en+ Pera6+ Neeri Sembilan !(n ada+ 7ayasan 4a0f Neeri Sembilan+

7ayasan 4a0f Selanor* The le"el of 7ayasan 4a0f ni+ dia 9**so yo( #ell+ li6e

macam d(l(+ Johor Cor!oration+ Johor State Economic -e"elo!ment

Cor!oration 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3**that;s mean o"ernment 6an* 4a0f

sho(dnt be o"ernment rant by definition+ yo( can cons(lt+ sta.+ ye**Shariah

!(nya !rinci!al* It contradicts Shariah !rinci!les+ sesia!a me#a6af6an harta dia+


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ada ha6 men(r(s6an harta dia+ dia na6 nama6an ana6 dia sebaai !en(r(s !(n

boleh+ ta!i dia ta6 boleh missed o(t on that !art yan charity**benefit masyara6at

t( a!a sem(a ye+ fisabilillah 6om!onen mesti ada #ala(!(n ana6 dia men(r(s*

Inter"ie#er So+ ho# do yo( tac6le that !art+ the missed (nder 0(alifyin of**

Inter"ie#ee

This is #hy ya+ this is #hy I #elcome an o!!ort(nity to ha"e a ro(nd table

ya**meanin+ beca(se the main aenda as I said beca(se+ the !olitician oes

!(blic (nthin6inly or**loo6in its too sim!listically* This is #here #e re0(ires+

academic instit(tion ya+ li6e yo(rs and so on+ to come in 1Inter"ie#er

interr(!ted: the cham!ion3**7a**to clarify it for them+ to define it for them* I;m

not sayin my definition is '@@ correct+ that;s #hy #e ha"in a ro(nd table*

Inter"ie#er 4hat+ #hat**is yo(r definition**

Inter"ie#ee This is #hat I;m sayin abo(t+ cor!orate #a0f m(st ha"e t#o f(ndamentals

elements* 7o( cannot do it #itho(t ha"in #a0f reconition by reliio(s

a(thority* 5(t n(mber t#o+ if yo( #ant to be cor!orate #a0f+ it m(st be based on

a com!any+ o!eratin in the mar6et+ com!etin freely ,(st li6e another* That;s

mean yo( harness+ yan I bai t( 6an+ yo( baca+ yo( harness the dynamics of the

cor!orate oranisation* 4hy are the #est able to no# colonise (s #itho(t

colonisin+ li6e before+ ho# do they do it2 Its tr(e their m(ltinational

cor!oration* 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7es3* If #e #ant to #in in this ame+ #e

m(st ha"e o(r m(ltinational cor!oration b(t the+ #e ado!t their m(ltinational

cor!oration+ #e are no different from them* Today+ the challene to them is the

rich et richer+ the rest loo6 at s0(atted* 4e are (nthin6inly ,(m!in on that

same !attern today+ this is #hy I belie"e+ it is already startin* The defies+

distortion+ debate in M(slim society* And I+ my (nderstandin of it is+ my sense

of it is**#hen yo( ha"e s(ch a distortion+ it is #orse in M(slim societies conte8t*4e #ill**err**#e**#ill**#ill be torn a!art* In the #est+ beca(se its their creat(re+

the #est is 6no#n for e8!loitin each other than hel!* Their #hole mind set is

abo(t e8!loitin others incl(din e8!loitin the old !eo!le* 4hen they la(nch

their9into the Christian in the #est+ dia ta6 6ira sia!a e"en the Christian in the

East !(n+ the ree6 Christianity**ah it( sebab**sam!ai ini hari /(ssian !(n ni

#hat ye**so+ it is meant to be ad"ersarial ye+ that is the #ord ye+ its al#ays

!redatory+ its al#ays ho# to mono!olise and the**the cor!oration is a !rod(ct of+

end !rod(ct of colonisation* The first fe# cor!oration that #as s(ccessf(l+ ye+

#as created in 'B@@* The East Indian Com!any 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Ah3*

The -(tch is their com!any+ the Enlish is their com!any+ that #as a model andthen they ro(!* To this+ #ere all instr(ments of colonisation* And today+ #hen

!olitical ma,ority comes in+ they ha"e no choice b(t to be inde!endent ya**they

ha"e to re thin6 abo(t ho# to colonise #itho(t colonisin* They (se

m(ltinational cor!oration+ they (se the cor!oration+ the cor!orate entity and they

are so !o#erf(l* Ho# do #e enco(nter them2 Jihad+ b(siness ,ihad is not abo(t

blo#in their com!anies+ ya**(sin bomb 6e !eran 6e+ tida6* Therefore+ yo(


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need an instit(tional stratey+ yo( #ant the+ #hy they are s(ccessf(l2 5eca(se

they thro(h their cor!orate a!!roach+ they able to a mass #ealth+ o"er h(ndred

of years+ beyond the life of indi"id(als and hence+ this is so ama.in+ this is the

iant cor!oration* They are richer and bier than o"ernment e"en in term of

asset+ !o#er+ economic reso(rces+ the oranisational ability* Petronas is bier

than the Malaysian o"ernment 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3+ they are i"in+

im!orted million and its oin to o bier* Ho# to ma6e s(re that Petronas

don;t o(t ro# and become a monster2 %i6e the #est and then they start to b(y

!olitical !o#er+ infl(enced ye+ corr(!tion and so on+ all is this ca(sed by and

most of them is a reed li"en by indi"id(als #ho are see6in indi"id(als #ealth*

Ho# to co(nter that2 7o( don;t co(nter that by b(ildin M(slim;s alternati"es+

macam Islamic ban6in denan Finance+ dia selim(t6an denan ,(bah ye+

m(ltinational cor!oration ni+ #e ha"e o(r o#n cor!oration 6ata 6an+ aa**there

yo( are+ #e ha"e reach that e"er+* 5eca(se as I said earlier+ #e are so m(ch more

sensiti"e to#ards social in,(stice and fact is+ beca(se Islam is really abo(t other+f(ndamentally* So ,ihad b(siness and so on+ m(st+ therefore cor!orate #a0f+ ye+

interrate or this f(ndamental Islamic "al(es as!irations+ Ma0asid Shariah a!a

sem(a+ mas(66an sem(a* In**so+ #hen #e+ I started and my collea(e started to

thin6 abo(t doin this+ it is massi"e e8ercise* And it cannot be done by o(rsel"es

alone+ b(t+ #e did+ #e did try o(r best at o(r le"el* 5eca(se na6 t(n( benda t(+

#e don;t #ant to be !aral**this !henomenal !aralysis by analysis

ye*incrementally b(ild it* As #e o ad,(st+ as #e o ad,(st to b(ild it* So+ #hich

means+ the only #ay for M(slim to come bac6 to b(ild a ci"ilisation of co(rse+

this f(ndamental+ #e are halifah 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Hmm**3**di ,an,i6an

dalam Al$(ran+ (mat Islam adalah (mat yan terbai6+ hair( mmah+ di ,an,i6an+ S(rah An N(r+ ayat D? 6ala( ta6 sila! saya+ An$N(r+ ,elas se6ali Allah

men,an,i6an aa**a!a nama+ oran yan beriman+ beramal salih+ (mat Islam+ a6an

men,adi se!erti halifah .aman dah(l(+ men(asai+ ber6(asa di m(6a b(mi* -i

mas,id+ tia mas,id saya bina+ oleh Johor Cor!oration di Johor+ atas 6onse! ,ihad

b(siness+#a0f cor!orate+ de6at !int( na6 mas(6 t(+ saya tar(66an ayat ini+ !int(

mas(6 selal( 6an ada decoration 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Hmm**3** ayat ini+

s(rah An$N(r+ meninat6an oran+ 6ita ni+ t(han ,an,i na6 ,adi6an (mat

6halifah* halifah f(ndamentally is a**is**is a c(lt(ral "al(e #ala(!(n**the idea is

ci"ilisation+ ci"ilasition means ci"ilisation f(ndamentally definition is "al(es*

4hat are the "al(es that are f(ndamental to Islam+ 6eadilan+ !ros!erity+ so

man(sia di t(r(n6an (nt(6 !ros!er m(6a b(mi+ and Islam as ***** so+ that;s mean

yo( cannot o #itho(t #ealth and today #ho+ #hich is most !o#erf(l instit(tion

that able to enerate #ealth is already created by the #est+ cor!oration+

com!anies+ li6e East India Coma!nies d(l(+ (nfort(nately+ 6ita (nthin6inly

serat( !erat(s ci!la6+ #e ado!t #ith (nthin6inly + (nchaned it* So+ it ca(se


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distortion in M(slim;s society* That;s #hy #e are+ #e conflict e"en amon

o(rsel"es* Pa6istan today+ is dominated by forty families #ho are s(!er rich*

They ha"e+ they #o(ld ne"er ha"e+ they #ill be (n end+ (n endin conflict

sit(ation* Sa(di Arabia today;s dominated+ of co(rse they ha"e se"en tho(sand

!rinces+ b(t se"en tho(sand aainst+ so it;s the same one !ercent beso6+ ,(st li6e

in the #est* In the #est+ it is not sensiti"e beca(se** it is not sensiti"e to they+

most of them co(ldn;t care less abo(t ,(stice in the first !lace+ and they all are

as!ire to become the American dream a!a sem(a t( 6an* In M(slim;s co(ntries+

from day one+ beca(se #hy2 The marinialised and to this a!!rentice is al#ays

!romised by Islam+ yo( ha"e the !o#er**to chane* So+ today+ 6ala( yo( ta6 de+

to me+ this is a re"ol(tionary in a sense+ 6ala( yo( ta6de+ yo( don;t re!resent the

interest of the marinalised this and !recise* This is #hy the yo(n one #ant to

o o(t and ble# o(t e"erythin* 4hat is the f(t(re of their children2 Imaine

yo(+ aa**ada PH- ta!i ta6 de 6er,a+ 6ala( ni o6ay lah ye+ emm**me too+ 6ala( ta6

de JCor! 6an+ e"en a yo(n man in thirties and so on+ str(lin+ based on a,i?+B@@ li"in in (ala %(m!(r for e8am!le ya+ des!erately loo6in for another

,ob+ #hy+ na6 6er,a d(a tia ,ob+ #hich is cra.y* 4e are destroyin o(rsel"es*

Inter"ie#er It is ha!!enin no# act(ally*

Inter"ie#ee This is #hat I;m sayin+ and if #e don;t 0(ic6ly do somethin different ya+ #e

don;t do chane+ #e don;t chane at all+ it is oin to e8!lode in o(r faces* Its

already e8!lode in Pa6istan* Its already e8!lode in Arab+ Sa(di Arabia ni beca(se

of the #ealth+ they (sed to b(y loyalty+ b(t they cannot b(y loyalty fore"er+ its

oin to e8!lode each other in Arabian* It;s oin to e8!lode in Jordan and so

on+ and so i tell yo(+ doin nothin is not an o!tion* 4e are not s(re+ #hen this#ill #or6+ b(t it is abo(t the session today 6an+ #e do ha"e some e8!erience* In

the conte8t of history+ there are nothin* 5(t then+ there;s o !eo!le analysed+

e"al(atin+ if there is an o!!ort(nity to do somethin+ then do somethin* As I

said dalam KMany roads to MeccaG+ this is not+ I;m not sayin that this is

1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: The3**the sol(tion* (r d(ty is to loo6 for sol(tions*

I;m s(re banya6 ,alan 6e Me66ah 6an+ ha**if yo( fo(nd one that is #or6able+ let;s

!(sh it+ and et o(r leaders+ !olitician and if not+ thro(h o(t them (!* So+ doin

nothin+ no+ is not an o!tion for M(slim* E"erythin oin to e8!ert is already

e8!lodin+ !eo!le c(ttin sembelih oran a!a sem(a+ it( 6ana !a t(+ marah+

beca(se+ M(slim;s are !romised* 7o( are the hair( mmah+ dinity+ M(slim

dinity today;s at sta6e* And #hen !eo!le lose their dinity+ they lose

e"erythin* They #ill 6ill+ they #ill and the (ly side of M(slim is (nfort(nate

today is bein more e8!ressed* 4e are !romised that #e can et bac6 that

ci"ili.ational stat(s+ ta!i 6ita 6ena cari6 lah+ ha**T(han ta66an bai t(r(n beleb(6

dari!ada ayat+ ta6+ha**5ai6+ #hy cor!orate #a0f2 4hy cor!orate2 5eca(se that is

the so(rce of #ealth and !o#er and today+ #hat is im!ortant2 The !romise in


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b(siness ,ihad is that yo( can be a millionaire and yo( can be* 5(t once yo( are a

millionaire+ don;t foret**1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: To i"e bac6 to the

comm(nity3**ho# to brin other side2 This is #hat I;m tal6in abo(t 6an+ abo(t

screenin 6e+ a!e 6e 6an+ ha+ 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7e3**those are mechanics

of it* 5(t the f(ndamental t(+ I**I**my concern is abo(t the f(ndamental* The

f(ndamental says+ #e can;t ,(st sim!ly ado!t+ #e m(st ada!t+ and other than

ada!t+ #e m(st also be creati"e* 4a0f cor!oration is not !(rely a #ord thin+ the

cor!orate+ the f(ndament**beca(se if its the #ord thin+ the cor!oration atas+

#a0f ba#ah 6an2 So+ #a0f mesti atas+ beca(se it s di"ines the conte8t+ define

e"erythin+ ci"ilisational term "al(es+ Islamic "al(es and so on* So+ that;s a reat

thin abo(t #a0f* 4a0f cor!oration str(ct(re+ #a0f first+ cor!oration second*

Cor!oration is a tool* A tool doesn;t matter #here it is created* /as(l(llah !(n

ca6a!+ t(nt(tlah ilm( #ala(!(n sam!ai 6e neeri China* ran Islam tah( Islam

is only+ sy(m(l+ com!lete* ena!a dia s(r(h !eri 6e neeri China2 f co(rse

no# they don;t say it a hadith+ they say it Arab !(nya sayin+ it doesn;t matter* Idon;t #ant to ar(e abo(t that ye+ I don;t #ant* ran 6ata b(6an dari hadith ye+

dinity dia rendah 6ala( 6ena !a6sa !eri 6e neeri China* Ta!i b(6( yan saya

baca !(n+ yan #ritten recently+ sem(a reconise it as hadith* -i Malaysia+ 6ita

ta6 reconise dia as hadith+ sebab Cina ramai sanat ,adi 6ita ta6(t*@@ years* Se"en come from the other e8am!le+ radio* /adio #as

in"ented by the #est* Islam+ (lama; Islam 6hasnya di Mesir+ Mesir 6eti6a it(

"ery fraile+ haram6an radio t(,(h !(l(h tah(n* 5y the time #e realised !rintin

machine has chaned+ ed(cation and trans!ort in the #est* -ah le!as tia rat(s

tah(n+ #e lsot that >@@ years* /adio+ by the time there is only+ ta6 de oran na6

menhada! 6e T+ ta6 de oran na6 menhada! 6e com!(ter and so on* ena!a

di haram6an2 J(st beca(se it #as in"ented in the #est* 5enda ni h(man !(nya

contrib(tion 6an+ yo( see+ #hate"er it is ood 6an+ it( yan !erilah sam!ai 6e

neeri China+ haha**#e missed all this+ 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Ehmm3 beca(se

6ita terlal( na6 6adan$6adan+ maaf saya 6ata6an+ (lama; ni !(la6 dia inter!ret

terlal( narro#+ sama macam a!a ni+ ho!eI;m #ron ye+ m(n6in ada some la

(lama; 6at Ma,lis$Ma,lis ni narro#* -ia sem!it6an inter!retation of Islam t(+

that;s #hy+ #e s(ffer*

Inter"ie#er 4hat yo( say is it need to be fle8ible+ to ada!t to the***

Inter"ie#ee 7a+ b(t at the same time**1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7o( ha"e to o


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thro(h3**before yo( fle8ible+ yo( 6ena tah( yo(r limit* 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

7a3 6an2 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7o( ha"e too3**#ho has !(t that limit2 Islam*

Inter"ie#er 7o( still to ha"e to hold stron to the***Islam

Inter"ie#ee 7es+ that is also the reason #hy I deliberately choose to**a!a nama**istilah Islam*+

to define this ne# conce!t chane+ that is s(!!osed to initiate chane* ne is

b(siness f(ndamental add on #ith ,ihad* Jihad defines b(siness+ not b(siness

defines ,ihad* Secondly+ ,ihad b(siness is a real "al(e dri"e+ it is s!irit(al thins+

it i"es yo( !assion+ enery ye* It i"es yo( sense of !(r!ose hail meanin in do

b(siness* 5(t + ho# do yo( do it2 7o( need to ha"e an instr(ments+ yo( need to

ha"e an instit(tion+ cor!oration* Cor!oration is already !ro"en trac6 record dia

dari!ada 'B@@+ @@ years trac6 record and that;s #hy today+ China is ,(m!in ye+

(sin that as #ell* E"erybody+ India+ 5ra.il+ #e are not* 5eca(se I mentioned

yesterday+ #e ha"e ado!tin com!anies* Sa(di Arabia a!a sem(a teta!i com!any

are still o#ned f(ndamentally control dia+ by indi"id(al+ Arab M(slim;s family*

5ila family+aa**saya b(6an na6 salah6an a!a t(+ faraid+ ta!i a(tomati6 b(t+

beca(se yo( can still do the faraid+ sebab Islam menan,(r6an+ harta yan

banya6 ini+ yan (nt(6 6el(ara t( bai+ 6ala( yo( ada ' billion+ ana6 lima

oran+ yo( bai soran ? million !(n dah c(6(! (nt(6 dia lima* -ia 6ena #or6

for themsel"es 6an* 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: for them t( ta6 c(6(! t( Tan Sri+

haha**3**This beca(se dia ta6 de semanat ,ihad+1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7es+

tr(e3+ ,i#a ,ihad+,i#a Islam 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7es+ to hel!3**ta!i b(6an

salah dia+ sebab dia ta6 nam!a6 alternati"es*1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

Hmm3*Pada dia c(6(!+ !ada dia meman com!ly #ith Islam+ dia sem(a com!ly

#ith Islam 6an+ b(t yo( missed is on this !oint of b(ildin a!a nama+

enerational+ enery+ and a!a nama+ cor!orate !(nya t( 6an+ lon term 6an* The#est+ #e are today colonise by m(ltinational cor!oration* Nestle+ yo( !(nya

Colate+ yo( !(nya Milo sem(a+ sem(a yo( beli dari!ada dia* Islam teas

menyata6an ye+ do not allo# yo(r money to se!arate amon the rich* Tia!$tia!

6ali yo( beli Colate+ yo( beli Milo a!a ni sem(a+ d(it 6ita ni+ !eri 6e!ada

oran 6aya+ yan de6at S#it.erland com!any nye+ !an6alnya Je#s yan

!ean* 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3* 4e don;t realised that+ so ,ihad b(siness

is abo(t+ ho# #e s!end o(r e"ery dollar+ ha+ it( saya bel(m sam!ai bab it( lai*

7e+ dalam disc(ssion ni bar( str(ct(re+err** !o#er !oint a!a sem(a ni 6an+

chanin in all attit(de amon all+ cons(mers* E"ery M(slim cons(mer* Ada

b(n(h diri in Malaysia+ he s!ent e"ery dollar* Today+ 6ebanya6annya+ I;m not

tryin to be racial and so on+ b(t e"en Chinese and Mat Salleh do that* They

ma6e s(re that+ their money oes amon themsel"es and they #ill be rich* ita

!(la6 contrib(te the same thin (nthin6inly* So that+ may+ on the street !(n+

e"ery cons(mer+ e"ery ho(sehold can !artici!ate in ,ihad b(siness+ not thro(h

b(ildin a cor!oration* Ho# yo( s!end yo(r money2 The moment yo( s(!!ort

the Malay enter!rise+ a!a sem(a enter!rise+ they #ill s(cceed* For the moment+


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(nfort(nately+ Malay enter!rises 6ebanya6an ta6 sam!ai 6(aliti dan sebaainya*

(r d(ty is ho# to**ho# to s(!!ort and hel! them* Ho# do yo( do it2 Nanti

6ala( 6ita 6ata+ Kh+ a6( beli baran+ 6a( soran ,adi millionaireG ala( ,ihad

b(siness datan+ #e don;t mind+ 6an+ dia !(n tah( dia ber,ihad+ the entre!rene(r

themsel"es #ill chanes his attit(de+ e"en tho(h he is r(n all the b(siness+ ,(al

oren !isan 6e+ retail sho! 6e 6an+ saya ber,ihad* Ana6 dia a6an s(!!ort+

family dia a6an s(!!ort+ society a6an s(!!ort* Then+ #e o bac6 and d(it 6ita

sama 6ita+ ta6 le!as sana+ Insya Allah*

Inter"ie#erSo+ its balance the thins off* The+ yo( im!ro"e yo(rself totally+ and the+ b(t at

the same time yo( are be able to contrib(te to the de"elo!ment of (mmah**

Inter"ie#ee

It;s al#ays by #hat;s #e #ant to do* Aa**its al#ays+Malays and M(slims+ if #e

#ant to s(cceed+ in b(siness and #hat so e"er ye+ thin6+ loo6+ search for the

other #ord* adan$6adan 6ita !a6ai sat( #ord ,e 6ita l(!a+ deliberately cari+

and of of those #ord m(st be A6hirat* F(ndamental+ don;t miss o(t on that* So+

that;s #hy saya circ(larised 6an t( 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7e3+ ,ihad b(siness

t(+ aenda !ada saya+ for #a0f cor!orate+ D #ords #e #ant to do* That;s thin6in

strateic* If+ con"entional thin6in ni+ b(at sat(+ yo( dah s(ccess+ ha dah c(6(!*

That;s only one* 7o( m(st force yo(rself to thin6 abo(t the others and then yo(

start to be creati"e* %oo6in beyond+ loo6in+ thin6in o(t side of the bo8 it is+

and so on*

Inter"ie#er

J(st t#o more 0(estions* 7o(r leacy as a #a0f cor!oration**1Inter"ie#ee

interr(!ted: If yo( thin6 in the f(t(re yo( na6 c(t+ ada a! lain yan ini ye+ yo(

email a!a sem(a+ #e can meet #ith team of yo(rs a!a sem(a+ 6ala( ta6 o

thro(h session li6e this+ beca(se**leacy23

7o(r leacy at Johor Cor!oration2Inter"ie#ee It is not im!ortant my leacy* If I #ant to b(ild a leacy+ I #o(ldn;t ha"e

resined* I;m ,(st a sim!le M(slim+ I mean so I #asn;t+ #hen I do this+ I #asn;t

thin6in of a leacy+ I #as thin6in that I am a M(slim+ I;m oin to face my

creator beso6+ Allah S(bhanah( 4a Ta;ala+ shortly+ and he has e8tended my life+

Alhamd(lillah+ oran Islam ni 6ala( lebih B> tah(n or B@ ye+1Inter"ie#er

interr(!ted: Alhamd(lillah3 ha+ so #hy I am here+ beca(se yo(r s(b,ect is

cor!orate #a0f* If it is nothin to do #ith ,ihad b(siness+ cor!orate #a0f+ I #on;t

be here* So+ and I don;t loo6 at it as a form of leacy* This is Islam !(nya

f(ndamental as!irations+ ci"ilisation of as!iration and #e all ha"e d(ty+ let;s do it

toether* 4hat #e #ill lea"e therefore+ others #ill ,(de* Allah S*4*T a6anmenadili+ I;m not here to**6ala( tida6 macam saya 6ata la+ 6ala( na6 leacy+ I

#o(ld rather ha"e one million rinit and then 6an+ can do more on my o#n+

#a0f 6e a!a 6e sem(a* That is the 6an+ yo( see i had one choice yo( 6no#+ see*

-/*Ali.a ya+ for e8am!le+ abo(t ten years ao+ Mahathir and the o"ernment+

they all tal6 abo(t !ri"atisation+ Halim Saat da!at ini+ Ta,(ddin /amli da!at

MAS* Macam saya ca6a! semalam+ if I #ant the !rod(ct of mine+ I #ill et a bi


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slice of Johor Cor!* I can brin -atin Pad(6a+ i"e (s all a(thorise+ yo( miht

elaborate 6an* I #ill be a billionaire* 4e;ll create a one or t#o billion dollars+

yo( can create a fantastic leacy* 5(t leacy is not the name of the ame+

/as(l(llah datan b(6an na6 leasi+ dia messener yan di titah oleh ni+

menyam!ai6an* -ia ta6 ada+ so+ 6ita try to follo# Ameen+ I;m ,(st sayin

ha**that;s all sim!le* ita henda6 a!a+ !er(t saya !(n dah b(ncit already+ so+

banya6 mana yan yo( boleh ma6an+ b(t for M(slim sat(+ #hen yo( o to the

ne8t #orld+ children+ harta !(n ta6 boleh tolon*1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

7a3*e8ce!t three 6an21Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Three thins that #e 6no#3*So+

!ean that tia* I;m tryin to**ana6$ana6+ ta6 de ,aminan dia ,adi ana6 yan

salih+m(dah$m(dahan+ ta!i ta6 de ,aminan* ala( ,adi ana6 salih !(n+ ta6 doa

6at 6ita !(n+ ta6 da!at 6an2 5(t+ there is no (arantee+ m(dah$m(dahan* So+

chances are there+ m(dah$m(dahan* If yo(;"e been a ood !arent a!a sem(a*

Secondly+ ilm( yan di manfaat6an+ it;s yo(r #ill+ and this is #hy Ali.a+ yo(

bai ceramah+ yo( t(lis b(6(+ na6 c(ba reach that* Thirdly+ ,ariah* Jariah+ 6itata6de d(it sendiri+ ta!i melal(i ini !(n beri ,ariah ya 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:

Islamic #ay3**Ha**s(!aya+ instit(tional a!!roach ye+ that;s ho# the #est

dominate all thro(h this year+ cor!oration* And cor!oration is desined ,(st li6e

#a0f+ !er!et(al+ selai dia r(n !rofitably+ that;s #hy today+ yo( ha"e '@@@ year

old com!any in Ja!an+ in Holland+ com!anies+ the Chinese in So(th East Asia+

they all CC de6at D@ tah(n+ Malay m(slim ada a!a2 Ta6 de+ sebab ana6 ta6

mas(6 b(siness+ le!as t( harta bai* %ama$lama tanah se6an6an 6era* -alam

b(6( t( saya t(lis+ saham se6adar sem(t !(la6+ lai 6eci6 bila ana6 dah ramai*

7o(r other 0(estion2

Inter"ie#er %ast one+ #hat do yo( see f(t(re**of cor!orate #a0f here**in Malaysia2Inter"ie#ee 4e m(st ma6e it s(ccess+ and the**#e+ yo( see+ a lot debate* 4e** are in

democratic system+ to me its s(r!l(s+ democratic system* 5eca(se that means+

#hat #e ha"e o"erloo6 so far+ Malays and M(slims are concern+ is ho# to (se

economic !o#er "ested in+ the !olitical !o#er "ested in the ma,ority* 4e ha"e

been inde!endence for D@ years+ b(t #e realised that o(r !osition is been**+ne"er

been more threaten than no#* It;s sim!ly beca(se #e o"erloo6* 4e #ere

assa(lted and #e #ill+ al#ays thin6in abo(t leacy and !ersonal leacy of

leader+ this one a!a sem(a 6an+ so+ #e didn;t foc(s on strenthenin the

f(ndamentals in !artic(larly in M(slim;s society* M(slims bein the ma,ority

(nder the m(lti democratic system+ not only ha"e the !o#er+ #e foc(s on !o#er+

b(t it is an o!!ort(nity ot i"en+ ot rise ye+ to define #hat Malaysian

ci"ilisation #ill be+ and #e also need to do more than that* Ho# Malaysian

m(slim+ can contrib(te to the lobal Islamic ci"ilisation+ and that is f(ndamental*

Today+ Malaysian m(slims all o"er the #orld is a mass+ Alhamd(llilah+ 6ala(

6ita teno6+ there are only fe#+ (nfort(nate+ there are only fe# e8am!le+ of at

least some ma,or economic s(ccess #ith f(t(re ho!es* In co(ntries li6e


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Indonesia+ T(r6ey and Malaysia* Malaysia is m(ch more e8citin beca(se #e are

in the midst of !l(ral society* Today+ beca(se of internet and e"erythin+ the

#orld is so lobal* 5(t+ ot+ #e already+ #e ha"e already that ye* Pl(ralism

!(nya ras+ so it+ 6ala( 6ita na6 !er,(an6an Islam+ #e don;t ha"e to o to the

e8treme li6e they do in Afhanistan+ there is chec6 and balance* T(han dalam Al$

(ran !(n ca6a! ye+ ,adi6an ni ni ni+ s(!aya aa**so+ Cina ramai 6at sini+ ,adi

oran Melay( e8tremist M(slims !(n+ ta6 da!at**ha**ha**ta6 da!at na6 ye*

Alhamd(lillah+ !ada saya+ sat( ni6mat+ sat( rahmat+ it( yan t(han bai+

6elebihan* A!a yan 6ita na6 b(at+ #e ha"e to+ first to sell to the Chinese+ that;s

#hy if yo( are to meet s(ccess of the #a0f and ,ihad b(siness+ it cannot be ,(st

for the sa6e of the m(slims* Anyho#+ (mat Islam ni di lahir6an dalam Islam+ di

t(r(n6an di b(mi+ b(6an sa,a (nt(6 oran Islam* nt(6 mema6m(r6an sel(r(h

6ehid(!an man(sia+ ,in+ binatan+ alam se6itar+ sme(a se6ali* S(stainability that

yo(;"e been tal6in abo(t ye**1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: ya**3 of the**of life

system* The d(ty of a M(slim as halifah is that+ that;s is amanah+ T(han bai*Ho# to translate it2 And this is #hy+ in the conte8t of #e ha"e a**an (n endin

conflict * 5(n(h memb(n(h Afhanistan**Pa6istan+ Arab;s #orld and so on 6an*

5(t M(slim solemn to the #orld are+ and e"en the #est are concern abo(t it*

This is the moment #e ha"e to come #ith ne# ideas+ #hat 6ind of ne# M(slim;s

society+ #itho(t all this ye+ defies+ distortion a!a sem(a* It is oin to ta6e D@

h(ndred years+ ,(st to thin6 and define+ to start this idea ye* So+**f(ndamentally in

my "ie#+ first of all+ !ros!erity is onna be 9*Islam clearly said ye+ !o"erty+

de!ri"ation #ill leads to#ards (nfaith* efa6iran memba#a 6e!ada 6e6(f(ran*

Hari ni+ banya6 6adan$6adan 6ita di Malaysia ,(a yan ter!a6sa berla6(

6(f(r+ mela6(6an 6e6(f(ran+ 6adan ,(al ana6 6e+ ma6 6e a!a sem(a 6an+ lastly beca(se 6e6(f(ran+ 6esem!itan hid(!* 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Ha3*

esem!itan hid(! today+ b(6an ta6 c(6(! ma6an ye+ I am not in h(ner or** a!a

nama de!ri"ation totally sam!ai6an d(a+ ana6$ana6 m(da ini hari 6ala( a,i

'?@@ ye+ ?@@@+ na6 6ah#in !(n ta6 de d(it* 5ila dia na6 6ah#in ta6 de d(it+

nafs( ada* Aa**ini yan 6ita today+ ta!i Ma,lis Aama Islam ini na6

me**menan6a! ,e sana bila sana+ bila yan berse6ed(d(6an* 7o( dah sol"e the

root !roblem bel(m2 The root !roblem is+ macam di T(r6i ya+ dia ada #a0f yan

membant(+ membant( oran m(da yan ta6 ma!( 6ah#in* 7o( see+ this is+ this

bi !otential of #a0f* I;m ,(st tal6in abo(t #a0f cor!orate beca(se I #ant it to

be+ #a0f can be in the mean of b(siness* 5(t the other+ the N side of it+ the

CS/ side of it+ and he charity side of it+ the fisabilillah side* Membant( b(da6$

b(da6 yan na6 bela,ar ta6 de d(it+ 6era,aan dah ta6 boleh lai* 4hat is the

f(t(re2 If #e don;t do somethin li6e this+ to enerate o(r o#n #ealth+ #e ha"e

no#here to t(rn to* -i sit(+ 6ala( 6ita ta6 da!at selesai6an masalah ini+ today ye+

yo(n Malays o o(t and e8!ort terrorism in their sense* They o to Philli!hines+


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and dia are at !ar #ith the lobal standards yo( 6no#+ boleh melet(! sana sini*

They ha"en;t done it here+ Alhamd(lillah+ #hy2 It beca(se enerally+ #e are

better off than com!ared to Afhanistan and so on in term of li"in* Sana+

!o"erty+ (nem!loyment+ D@ of the yo(n !eo!le in Afhanistan+ in the Arab;s

#orld are (nem!loyed* Another D@ million (nem!loyment+ D@ million !o!(lation

ye+ #ill**#ill of yo(n !eo!les ni+ the ne8t ?@ years+ accordin to the so(rces+

N ni a!a sem(a* It is oin to be serio(s chance+ sol(tion is+ address !o"erty

and #ithin today conte8t+ creatin ,obs+ creatin the o!!ort(nity* That;s mean

entre!rene(rshi!+ b(siness ye+ aa**cor!orate #ays* Cor!orate #ays yo( can do it

in m(lti**m(ch larer scale+ b(t re defines* This is #hy #e disc(ss the conce!t

li6e mother cor!oration* 4hy mother cor!oration2 So+ that+ 6ala( ta6 de conce!t

mother cor!oration+ cor!oration dia b(at d(it+ ta!i dia ta6 thin6s of o!enin

o!!ort(nities and doors for others yan tadi 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: The leacy

o!!ort(nity**3 yan ?B@@+ macam mana na6 do(ble their income 6an2ha** ,(st

i"e them a ood ,ob and so on* Then+ ter!(lan 6e!ada 6ita la*+ 6ebai6an 6ita*And I don;t belie"e #e ha"e that tend**#e need the e8am!le+ m(dah$m(dahan

Malaysia+ Indonesia+ T(r6i+ #e are !eacef(l+ beca(se yo( need !eace in order for

b(siness to ro# and e8!and 6an2 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3**and then

the**#e ha"e to do it 0(ic6ly+ to sho# the Arab* ita ni marah oran Arab a!a ni

sem(a+ merosa66an Islam sana sini 6an+1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Hmm3

4hat do #e do2 Sho# them a model and #e ha"e a fort(nate* 4e are the one of

de"elo!ed M(slim co(ntries #ith the T(r6ey+ b(t ho# to ma6e s(re that

M(slim;s here aa**et hold of this*


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to chane their mind sets2 The real model+ #or6in model e8am!le+ real life

itself* 5y itself+ ,adi 6ita ta6 berad(h+ ta6 !ayah ada re"ol(tion+ ta6 !ayah a!a+

beso6 ana6$ana6 6ita+ ta6 !ayah !eri ber,(an 6at Syria+ mas(6 IS a!a sem(a t(

6an+ ha**6ala( dia !eri !(n+ dia ba#a idea bar(+ ne# conce!t* Saya b(6an 6ata

it( b(6an ,ihad ye+ macam oran 6ata it( b(6an ,ihad* Saya 6ata it( serah !ada

Allah S*4*T 6an* ita !(n 6ala( threaten macam t(+ 6ita a6an ban6it+ all for

fiht #a,ib+ ber!eran a!a sem(a ni 6an+1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a+ for the o(r

reliion3b(t+ #e are not in that sit(ation* Ta!i+ 6ita ,(a #a,ib ber,ihad* -ah la+

choose la yo(r faith+ 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3+ mana na6 !eri 6e Syria t(+

!ilihan dia+ t( ter!(lan !ada Allah 6an* The rest of (s+ #e still ha"e to do

somethin* So + that;s #hy+ and it is not abo(t creatin a leacy+ and beso6 nama

saya ter6enal 6e+ not really+ honestly 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted:Ha**ha**m(n6in3*

6ala( na6+ ada banya6 cara+ ,alan lain* I co(ld ,oin a !olitic+ ha**ha**b(t I didn;t

#ant to+ bca(se saya !erhati 6a#an$6a#an saya mas(6 !oliti6 ta6 6e mana+ I

co(ld ha"e+ beca(se that #as an o!!ort(nity* Politician also+ my sister is a !olitician* The first #oman minister+ T(n Fatimah 1Inter"ie#er

interr(!ted:h+ 3**Hashim*1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 6ay3 I co(ld ha"e ,oin

!olitic and I ser"ed /ahman 7aa6ob+ he9 bet#een all this* beca(se+ saya sense+

!olitic anybody can o in+ b(t this+ maybe ya**I #anted to try+ I didn;t 6no# I

ha"e some+ yo( 6no#+ nec6 for it* Saya !(n ta6 !ernah niat na6 ,adi entre!rene(r

6e+ b(siness man+ Allah !(nya 6(asa* Teno6+ no rerets and that;s+ for that

reason I resined yo(+ saya ada+ 6ala( yo( na6 baca ni+ ada dalam dia !(nya

!enantar+ saya ada seb(t 6ena!a saya resined*

Inter"ie#erSo+ basically+ for the !(blic to acce!t co!orate #a0f 1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted:

#a0f conce!t3+ there is a need to ma6e them (nderstand the benefits2

Inter"ie#ee

That is basic* In ed(cation formal it( 6an1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7es3* 5efore

yo( can chane mind sets+ 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: If #e ed(cate them3*

Thro(h o(t the (ran+ ha**ha** ,ahil 6e,ahilan+ I means (nderstand it+ 6an*

Inter"ie#er This is #hat yo( are doin and**

Inter"ie#ee I;m tryin to do+ and #e ha"e reach the !oint #here+ #ho is the a(torithy on**on

creatin (nderstandin* 4ho is the**ni"ersities+ yo( are the 6an**aa**so+ that;s

#hy+ saya ta6 berhenti+ saya na6 !ei ha,i ni !(n+ (ni"ersity yan ,em!(t ye*

-(l( !(n+ bila T(r6i a!a sem(a ni 6an+ 9*and then sebel(m+ I al#ays has

fascinated to #or6 #ith (ni"ersities+ beca(se yo( are the !eo!le #ho can+ first of

all+ "alidate this+ 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3 or critically loo6 into this 6an*5et(l ta6 bet(l+ ila 6e 6e!ala Mohd*Ali ni 6e a!a ni 6an ha**ambil !r(dent

ob,e6tif1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: /iht3

And once yo( see there is merit+ if there is+ yo( #ill definitely #ant to**ho!ef(lly

cham!ion it beca(se**sho#in that there is merit in it la+ 6ala( ta6de merit+ yo(;ll

be the first thro(h o(t it merit 6an* 5(t in this case+ #e do ha"e some trac6

record+ 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: 7a3 and its o!en to scr(tiny 6an* Ha**so+ as yo(


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see+ there is a chance+ as I said+ MN has already started to e"en tho(h they+

Ministers macam saya 6ata se6aran+ dia tanya 6ita+ 6ala( saya #a0f da!at a!a+

ma6nanya Minister ni+ dia fi6ir a!a yan dia na6 da!at6an+ b(6an dia na6

!er,(an6an (nt(6 6e!entinan* 5ca(se they see+ their !osition t(+ in t#o three

years terms+ election dah na6 de6at ni+ I;m not s(re I;m oin to be bac6+ and

they #ant to ma6e a smartest choice* Selai oran Islam+di !erin6at mana+

b(6an saha,a dalam !oliti6 ye+ dalam b(siness+ terlal( selfish+ the #ay #e can

#in to fiht aainst the #est is+ adalah Chinese* Its to !(t the side of selflessness*

In my second boo6+ I read it+ dalam hand o(t t( saya ada bai 6onse! .(h(d+ ye+

that is "ery interestin conce!t* (h(d means+ to be selfless+ to not to ta6e the

#orld day terms* That is e8treme !o#er* 1Inter"ie#er interr(!ted: Hmm**3* 5ila

yo( ta6 henda6 d(nia+ yo( bersedia beredar mati that is semanat ,ihad* -alam

b(siness+ b(a6n mati nya#a !(n+ mati b(siness ,e+ ha**ha**1Inter"ie#er

interr(!ted: 7a3So**

Inter"ie#er%i6e yo( ha"e said ,(st no#+ the to! !eo!le* It can be beca(se they ha"e act(ally+or ref(se to (nderstand 1Inter"ie#ee interr(!ted: /iht3#hat #a0f all abo(t and

cor!orate #a0f* 4hat is #a0f all abo(t*

Inter"ie#ee

/iht+ 6ala( (ni"ersities s(ccessf(l in chanin mind sets of st(dents+ beso6

yan na6 chane ni+ 6ala( 6ita dalam demo6rati6 system 6an+ the st(dents #ill

lead* And if the "otin of the ma,ority cor!oration #ants ca6e**no !iliticians can

s(cceed* 5(t sometimes+ that;s ta6e a little bit of time and yo( need more

e"idence* So+ o(r foc(s today is to create more e"idence+ model ni sem(a 6an+

#or6in model* And I;m also+ in real A/I rant+ to ma6e s(ccess #a0f+ to

0(ic6ly**1Inetr"ie#er interr(!ted: sho# s(ccess story3**sho# s(ccess story and

I;m as I said yesterday+ I;m a!!roachin T(n Mahathir to be a member+ #orldmember of**M(dah$m(dahan 5er,aya* ala( dia endorse ni and so on+ Insya

Allah ha*

Inter"ie#er Alriht+ shall #e o inside+ Tan Sri2

Inter"ie#ee 6ay+ oh ye+ dah habis ye* Insya Allah

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