Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald, right names, wrong people!!Received this query that was posted on Ancestry to review and comment on.!!As shown below the query is from a KenMac48 and concerns the family of an Angus MacDonald and his wife Janet MacDonald.!!My, Alex W Fraser, comments, observations, conclusions are listed below and are subject to further clarification and correction.!!Remember that these Comments, observations & conclusions may or may not agree with your perspective on the family names & information listed below.!!post 1;!McDonald / MacDonald's of Glengarry!

�  kenmac48  (View posts)!Posted: 15 Aug 2014 10:55AM!

Classification: Query!Surnames: McDonald, MacDonald, Graham!

Seeking information on Roderick MacDonald who married Isabel or Elizabeth Graham at St Raphaels on August 24th 1848. Isabel died in August 1860, 8th-Lot 26 Lancaster.!!I'm attempting to see if this Roderick and Isabel are my 4th Great Grantparents. In order for them to be, they need to have a son Angus MacDonald, born in about 1776, Inverness, Scotland. He died 18 October 1853 in Lochiel, Ontario. On November 28, 1826 he married Jennet or Janet MacDonald at St. Raphael's, Ontario. She was born in

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about 1787, Inverness, Inverness-shire, Scotland. She died 28 August 1858 in Lochiel, Ontario.!!Any help will be much appreciated !!

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�  talmacdonald143  (View posts)!Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:06PM!

Classification: Query!Angus MacDonald, born in about 1776!!Do you mean 1876 ?!!Tal!

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�  talmacdonald143  (View posts)!Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:20PM!

Classification: Query!Forget about the first message I think I now see what you mean. You say that Roderick's son was Angus but I think you mean he was the son of Angus.!!The marriage info from St. R. show Roderick to be the son of Angus MacDonald and Elizabeth MacDonell Lot 26 - Lancaster 8th.!!

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Tal!! !   !

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�  kenmac48  (View posts)!Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:27PM!

Classification: Query!I don't think so...I have 1776 recorded as his birth year and 18 Oct 1853 as date of death.. Do you believe this is not possible ? !!My 2nd Great Grandfather, John MacDonald 1806 - 1875 married Anna Bathurst 1818 - 1907 on 03 Nov 1840 at St Finnan's, Alexandria.!!I'm truly a novice genealogist therefore it's possible I am wrong.!!Ken!!Post 5;!� Re: McDonald / MacDonald's of Glengarry!

�  kenmac48  (View posts)!Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:42PM!

Classification: Query!Oops sorry Tal...I sent you a reply before reading your above message.!!I also have Roderick to be the son of Angus MacDonald and Elizabeth. !!

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My records show that Angus and Elizabeth were born and died in Scotland, exactly where in Scotland unknown. In addition to Roderick they had sons John and Alexander. !!However my predicament is knowing if Roderick MacDonald and Isabel or Elizabeth Graham are in fact my 4th GG.!!Thank you so much for your efforts to help me. It is most apprecated.!!Ken!————-!My, Alex W Fraser, comments, observations from post 1!“Seeking information on Roderick MacDonald who married Isabel or Elizabeth Graham at St Raphaels on August 24th 1848. Isabel died in August 1860, 8th-Lot 26 Lancaster.!!I'm attempting to see if this Roderick and Isabel are my 4th Great Grantparents.”!!AWF Observation!Roderick MacDonald & Isabel Graham Lanc 8C N26 did have a son named Angus who married a Janet MacDonald in 1826, namely!from St Raphael’s RC BMD 1826 marriages!M 8 ANGUS MACDONALD AND JENNET MACDONALD !November 28th 1826, after 3 publications of banns made in this parochial church, were joined in marriage by me the undersigned priest, Angus MacDonald, who has attained the age of majority, son of Roderick MacDonald and of Elisabeth Graham on the one side and Jennet MacDonald being minor daughter of the deceased Angus MacDonald and of Margaret MacDonell on the other side. Alexander MacDougald, Hugh MacDonald and several others were present at the celebration of this marriage. !Angus MacDonell ptr !!Here Angus’s mother is listed as Elizabeth, rather than Isabel, the first glitch in this journey.!

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!Likewise from Post 1, “Angus MacDonald, born in about 1776, Inverness, Scotland. He died 18 October 1853 in Lochiel, Ontario. “ This Angus is not the son of Roderick MacDonald & Isabel Graham as shown in his death record, from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1853 deaths Alexandria, Ontario!D15 Angus McDonald!On the 18th day of October 1853, I the undersigned interred in the cemetery at Alexandria, Angus McDonald son of John McDonald and Christy McDonald of the shire of Inverness aged 77 years. Witnesses Allen Williams, Donald McDonald and several others.!John R Meade!!This Angus MacDonald married a Janet MacDonald and they lived in Lochiel 1C N3 and this Janet died in 1858 from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1858 deaths !D5 Janet McDonald 3 - 1st Lochiel!On the 28th August 1858, The body of Janet McDonald, wife of the late Angus McDonald [tailor] 3-1st Lochiel was interred at Alexandria. Present John Chisholm & Alex’r Bathurst.!!AWF observations!Now based on info in Post 3 !“The marriage info from St. R. show Roderick to be the son of Angus MacDonald and Elizabeth MacDonell Lot 26 - Lancaster 8th.”!This is correct, namely!from St Andrews Presbyterian/United Church BMD WMST 1792 Marriages!M2 RODERICK MACDONELL AND ISABEL GRAHAM.! RODERICK MACDONELL AND ISABEL GRAHAM BOTH OF LANCASTER WERE MARRIED ON THE 14TH FEBRUARY 1792.!!from St Raphaels RC BMD 1848 Marriages!M14 Roderick M’Donald & Isabel Graham!At St Raphaels on the 24th day of August 1848, Roderick M’Donald of this parish, Lanc 8C N26, major son of Angus McDonald & of

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Elisabeth McDonell on the one part; & Isabel Graham also of this parish Lanc 8C N26, daughter of Thomas Graham & of Margaret Graham on the other part; after 3 proclamations of bans at St Regis by the rev’d Roderick McDonell about 56 years ago before they were married by Mr Bethune, Williamstown, no impediment being known were joined in marriage by me the undersigned priest in the presence of the undersigned Mary McDonald & Catherine McDonald.![signed] Mary Macdonald! Catherine McDonald!John Macdonald priest & curate of St Raphaels.!!AWF observations !Now based on the info in Post 4 “My 2nd Great Grandfather, John MacDonald 1806 - 1875 married Anna Bathurst 1818 - 1907 on 03 Nov 1840 at St Finnan's, Alexandria.!!”This Angus & Janet had a son John who married an Anne Bathurst in 1840!From St Finnan’s RC BMD 1840 !M10 JOHN M’DONALD AND ANN BATHURST !The same day (3rd Nov. 1840), was married by me the undersigned priest, after three publications in this Church without any opposition having been found to their marriage, John M'Donald son of Angus McDonald and Jennet McDonald in the 1st con. of Lochiel: to Miss Ann Bathurst, daughter of William Bathurst and of Margaret McIntosh in the same con. of Lochiel. Were present Alexander Bathurst, Angus M'Dougald, John M'Donald and several others. !J. M'Donald, P.P. !!12/09 awf!from St Rapahels RC BMD 1818 Baptisms!B88 Anna Bathurst!The 9th day of August 1818, I the undersigned priest and vicar of St Raphaels baptised Anna born the 14th of July of the lawful marriage of William Bathurst and of Pagy MacIntosh. Sponsors Angus MacDonell and Catherina MacDonell.!

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J. MacDonald p!!The above indicated that John was born in 1806. Since there is no reference to any baptisms in St Raphael’s BMD of children of any Angus Mac/McDonald/ell & Janet/Jane/Geny/Jeannette Mac/McDonell/ald before 1827,. The reference here, 1827 is to an Angus & Janet in 5th Lochiel with dau Flora. This Angus & Janet may or may not be a 3rd set. [ I could have missed finding an earlier reference] then it is assumed at present that the John who married Anne Bathurst was born in Scotland in 1806. Likewise John parents Angus & Janet were also born & married in Scotland ca 1800-1805. !!Thus, if this John who was born in 1806, died in 1875, the son of Angus 1776-1853, of Loch 1C N3, then the Angus ca 1795-1865 in Wisconsin the son of Roderick MacDonald & Isabel Graham of Lancaster 8C who married a Janet MacDonald in 1826 could not be the father of the John born in 1806.!!from Fr John’s Diary of Deaths 1819-1866 & 1839 Census in Part, 1992, edited by Alex W Fraser APR 11 1865 Angus MD, in Wisconsin, son of Rod from Lanc 8C N26, of Angus of Hugh. !This a very good example of how easy it is to get the right names and the wrong people at the same time. These Couples of “Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald” regardless of how the last name is spelt, are two different families. !!One lived in Charlottenburgh and or Lancaster, 8th concession, the other in Lochiel 1st concession. There is a reference to an Angus & Janet MacDonald living in Charlottenburgh township 8th Concession who had a son Angus born in 1836. !!How many Angus & Janet MacDonald are we actually dealing with? Did one or more of these Angus & Janet’s move around as labourers? Are we mixing up 2 or 3 sets of them?!

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!One of the fathers of Angus 1776-1853 was John ca 1742-ca 1800; & the other Angus ca 1795-1865 was the son of Roderick ca 1764-1855. !!One of the Angus’ was born about 20 years before the other. !!These comments do leave room for more research to get done, as well as getting any missing gaps of family information for these sets of Angus & Janet MacDonald can be filled in correctly, to see whether or not my conclusions still stand up to and with that found new family information.!!Hoping this will be of use.!!take care and God Bless!Alex W Fraser!Courtenay, BC!Aug 25/14 jars924 @ me.com!http://glengarrycounty.com/famhis.htm

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