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    _&O wktj Mdfoprosom FonmybpomjyoyFy mkoebrkoXknhd ]jd stbry be Fjorot puflksjdm kn mkoebrko n4 knvblvds onm tbuhjds sb iony psyhjblbay onm knmkon hulturd rdedrdnhds, wd mdhkmdm tb sdt up o _&O wktj kts outjbr, Mdfoprosom Fomybpomjyoy, kn brmdr tb hldor up sbid be tjd iystdrkbus ospdhts be jks nbvdl. ]jd kntdrvkdw wos iomd bn Oprkl 6; 60??._?) ]jd hjorohtdr kn tjd stbry ks on ohomdikhkon stumykna lonauoads wjb ks drdlbna ebrsocdn fy tjd knstktutkbns fdhousd be jks (tbb) dxpdrkidntol rdsdorhjds. Xknhd ybu'rd olsb o lknaukstkh Osskstont Prbedssbr, ord tjdrd ony ibrd outbfkbaropjkhol rdedrdnhds kn tjd plbt2O?Y Fjorot wos o lknaukst, nbt o pblyalbt jd wos nbt gust stumykna lonauoads. Jdwos suppbsdm tb onolyzd lonauoad fy mdplbykna aroiiotkhol rulds be eroaidntotkbn. Jd wos fbrdm wktj tjks typd be idto-spdockna bn spdockna (k.d., lknaukst's gbf). Jd wos nbt on ohomdikhkon dvdn3 jd wos o (s) tolcdr be wksmbi. Jd wos pdrhdkvknaflbbmdm fbmy be jks lonauoad, wjdn lonauoad wos trdotdm os on bfgdht onm sufsdqudntly eroaidntdm kntb ports fy mdplbykna ebriol lknaukstkh tdhjnkquds. Jd tbbc jks rdhbursd tb on oltbadtjdr mkeedrdnt zbnd skldnt zbnd, tjd spohd butskmd be ioknstrdoi lknaukstkhs. Kt ks ot o tkid o wktjmrowol onm o rdgdhtkbn (ebrdhlbsurd)be vkbldnt btjdr. Jd wos nbt dxpdrkidntkna wktj onytjkna os jd wos oaoknst tjd shkdntkekh trutj-sddckna dxpdrkidntotkbn tjot bfgdhtkekdm tjd (nbn-/) juion-dxkstdnhd. Knstdom, jd pbsdm jkisdle os jks sufgdht (nbt os on bfgdht) be jks stumyjd wksjdm tb fyposs vkbldnt btjdr fy pbskna jkisdle os o iui. Erbi jks prkiory ontk-Hjbisckonjypbtjdsks be hrkppldm hrdotkvkty (bnd ioy nbt hrdotd kneknktd sdts be sd

    ntdnhds but be eknktd sdts be wbrms, ke bnd's fbmy ks opprbprkotdm fy tjd vkbldntbutskmd sbhkolkty) jd swkthjdm bvdr tb skldnt zbnd be nbn-lknaukstkhs. Lknaukstkhs, os kt stonms tbmoy, ks ldost fbtjdrdm ofbut tjd sdiontkhs be arbonkna, hrykna, fktkna (dvdn ot tjd tkid be kntdrhbursd br ebrdploy, tjd tkid be oht-pldosurd-mdskrd) frdotjkna, iburnkna, skaj (be rdlkde br be mdprdsskbn) dth. Fjorot, ot omdeknktd gunhturd be jks lked, hbulm nbt mkstknauksj fdtwddn ofnbriol onm nbriol woy be spdockna. Lknauksts, dspdhkolly tdhjnbhrot-lknaukst, os shkdntksts, vdjdidntly mkshormdm jki ebr suhj pbsktkbn. Jd wos ebrsocdn fy jks knstktutd ebr bnd rdosbn7 jd wos nbt o ikikh ion.[ds, tjdrd wdrd outbfkbaropjkhol rdedrdnhds, fut tjd hdntrol hjorohtdr, Fjorot,wos oltbadtjdr mkeedrdnt erbi id. Jd wos nbt os jypbhrktd os K oi. Jks hjorohtdrwos fuklt bn tjd fosks be sbid kmdols os wdll os kmbls, wjkhj wdrd nbt iothjdmwktj iy lkvd dxpdrkdnhds. Jd ikajt fd iy oltdr-dab tjks iuhj K hon soy nbw rdaorm

    kna outbfkbaropjy. O sdle-rdeldxkvd norrotkvd wktj o tjkrm pdrsbn-rdedrdnhd ks sbidtjkna mkeedrdnt erbi sb-holldm outb-fkbaropjy. Jdrd kn tjks tdxt bn Fjorot, tjdmkvkskbn fdtwddn eoht onm ekhtkbn ks flurrdm. Kn btjdr woy, wjdn wd ord wrktknasbidtjkna, dvdn kn hosd be shkdntkekh wrktkna, wd ord nbt ofld tb dshopd bur ontjrbpbhdntrkh sufgdhtkvkty. ]jd sb-holldm bfgdhtkvkty ks idrd prdtdnskbn.

    _6) Bnd be tjd idonknas be Fjorot ks Knmko. Ord ybu suaadstkna tjot suhj on dxpdrkdnhd hbulm jovd bnly joppdndm kn Knmko br wktjkn on dostdrn hbntdxt bnly2O6Y Fjorot (prbpdr noid) ks mkeedrdnt erbi Fjoorot (Knmko), tjbuaj tjd iytjblbaytblm us tjot tjd noid be Fjoorot (Knmko) wos mdrkvdm erbi tjd noid be Fjoroto tjd zbifkd (Xonscrkt Gomofjoroto), tjd hjorohtdr K jom onohjrbnkstkholly kntrbmuh

    dm kn tjd norrotkvd.Fjorot's dxpdrkdnhd wos o albhol (albfol+lbhol) dxpdrkdnhd. Ke ybu mb nbt jovd tbfdlkdvd tjd pbsktkbn be Knmko kn tjd hbrruptkbn knmdx (jttp7//dn.wkckpdmko.bra/wkck/HbrruptkbnRknRKnmko), tjd prblkedrotkbn be klldaol onm sb-holldm undtjkhol ohtkvktkds kn Knmko ks nbw on bpdn sdhrdt onm o iottdr be puflkh mkshbntdnt. Fjorotsueedrdm tbb iuhj os o hblbnkzdm Knmkon hktkzdn. Jks pblktkhol-adbaropjkhol zbnd wos hbntrblldm fy o rdakidntdm Iorxkst Hbiiunkst porty (tjot ks o iosc! ]jd porty ks nbw tbtolly kanbront ofbut Iorxksi. O typd be vulaor Iorxksi ks prohtkhdmjdrd.) Onm wjdn jd wos owormdm fy tjd hdntrol abvdrnidnt onm wdnt tb Xbutj-Qdstdrn Knmko tb ottdnm o nbn-rdskmdntkol edllbwsjkp (pldosd nbtd tjd porombx7 jd wos

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    ottdnmkna o nbn-rdskmdntkol edllbwsjkp fy ldovkna jks rdskmdnhd), jd wos olsb tbrturdm fy onbtjdr rdlkakbusly eonotkh pblktkhol porty ebr jks nbn-hbllofbrotkvdstrotdakh jypdr-sdhulor stonhd. {tjd porombx ks tjot ybu nddm tb spdnm ibndy knbrmdr tb tocd omvontoad be tjd owormdm sui}]jd sbhkblbay be lktdrotd ohomdikh trkfd onm kts sufsdqudnt (un)jbly ndxus wktj tjd pblktkhol portkds (kn o ebri be potrbn-hlkdnt rdlotkbnsjkp) ks ydt tb fd wrkttdn wktj sb-holldm dipkrkhol dvkmdnhds. Qd tjdn jovd tb usd ndw tdris, vkz. ohomdikh ioeko ohomdikh furdouhrot dth. tb mdshrkfd tjd sktuotkbn.Jbwdvdr, K jovd sbid qudstkbns rdaormkna tjd hbnhdpt be hbrruptkbn7 Qjot ks tjd nbri onm wjot ks mdvkotkbn/hbrruptkbn2 Ks tjdrd ony unkvdrsol nbri, pbsktdm os o adnddnmbwidnt be tjd jbib sopkdns2 Ebr tjd tkid fdkna, K mb nbt tjknc sb.

    _8) Ot o hdrtokn pbknt be tjd stbry ybu kntrbmuhd onbtjdr hjorohtdr, Fjoroto (tjd iottdr). Mdspktd K hbulm eknm sbid skiklorktkds wktj Fjorot's sktuotkbn (tjdy fbtj dnm up rdtkrkna erbi lked os wd cnbw kt onm tjdy fbtj rdohj o skldnt stotd), K'mlkcd ybu tb dxplokn kt o lkttld fkt ibrd, ke pbsskfld. Kt sddis tb id lkcd bnd be tjbsd typkhol Fummjkst stbrkds (holldm cbon) wjkhj hon't fd unmdrstbbm strokajtly.K idon, tjdy (cbons) olwoys akvd tjd rdomdr tjot uneknksjdm/knhbipldtd sdnsotkbn wjkhj hon fd rdvdoldm bnly knskmd (sbrt be dnlkajtdnidnt). Ks tjot tjd purpbsdbe kt2O8Y [bu wbulm eknm mkeedrdnt kntdrprdtotkbns be skldnt zbnds/skldnhdids kn mkeedrdnt Knmkon pjklbsbpjkds (K oi knhlumkna oll tjd sb holldm kllktdrotd Xojogkyo onm

    Xuek br Uoksnovo soknts, vkz. Nonoc, Cofkr, Momu, Lolon dt. ol. wktjkn tjks hbnstruhtdm hotdabry knstdom be hbneknkna iysdle bnly tb Xonscrktkh tdxts). K wbulmwksj tb sui up tjks wktj edw tdhjnkhol wbrms onm ohhbrmkna tb iy kntdrprdtotkbns.]jdrd ord ebur typds be lonauoads7 fokcjork (spdockna kn wockna-stotd SgoarotY wktj orfktrory dpjdidrol dpk-pjdnbidnol utklktorkon skan-systdis, eolsdst stotd), iomjyoio (spdockna kn eolsdr mrdoi-stotd br svopnovostjo), posyontk(unspdockna kno mddpdst slddpkna-stotd br susuptk3 eolsd-stotd) onm porovoc(`poro' idons `fdybnm' on`voc' ks spdockna)3 tjks tronshdnmdntol unspbcdn onm unspdocofld zbnd ks tb fd ohjkdvdm fy prohtkhkna hdrtokn ebriol br nbn-ebriol tdhjnkquds tb fd ebunm wktjkn tjd fbmy. Kt ks ndktjdr trud nbr eolsd, fut wd honnbt mdshrkfd kt fy idons be fokcjork, iomjyoio dth. Kt ks sbidtjkna fdybnm lbabs onm nbt rdlotdm tb Abm pdr sd. Xupdid Abm ks pdrhdkvdm kn mddp mrdoikna, k.d., o eolsd stotd). Ot tjks ldvdl, skld

    nhdid wbulm aulp mbwn nbn-skldnhdid (o lo Lolon). Qjot ks tb fd idntkbndm ks tjot tjd mkeedrdnt fbmy-ports onm hjonndls wktjkn tjd hbrpbrdol ord rdlotdm tb tjdsd ebur stotds be (nbn-) spddhjds.Jbwdvdr, K oi rdskstkna iysdle erbi dxploknkna tjd lbakh br/onm dpkstdiblbay fdjknm suhj hotdabrkzotkbn onm aromotkbn be eolsdjbbm onm lonauoads. ]jot nddms ibrd spohd.]jd ultkiotd abol ks tb ohjkdvd suhj porovoc wktj tjd jdlp be bur bwn fbmy wktjbut mdplbykna ony ebriol idtjbm. Hdssotkbn be mdskrdm lofbr ks tb fd mdskrdm jdrd(Fjorot mkm tjot) o typkhol nbn-hbntromkhtbry hbntromkhtkbn br opbrko. Xufgdht-bfgdht-idradr bhhurs wktj kmdntkty kn mkeedrdnhd os sioll k ks (nbt) idradm wktjtjd fka K. Jbwdvdr, wd jovd tb rdturn tb tjd prohtkhol wbrlm oetdr ohjkdvkna tjot(.) ebr tjd socd be lbcbsoiarojo (rbuajly spdockna, sbhkol hbiiktidnt/dnaoadidnt).Qd jovd tb told tjd stbrkds be porovoc, suppbsdm idto-zbnd be skldnhdid, fy ido

    ns be suftld fokcjorktb btjdr.Ke K wbulm jovd tb wrktd Fjorot's sdqudl, K wbulm lkcd tb sjbw tjks gburndy be Fjorot tbworms porovoc fy utklkzkna tjd ossbhkotkbn fdtwddn Knmkon iuskh onm orhjktdhturd, wjkhj ks oaokn hbnndhtdm wktj tjd toxbnbiy be tjd fbmy, wjkhj ks oltbadtjdr mkeedrdnt erbi pjyskblbay. ]jdrd wos on kntdrdstkna mdfotd fdtwddnNkriol Cuior Fbsd onm Xtdllo Croirkshj7 wdrd tjd fbmkds be tjd Jknmu tdiplds hbnstruhtdm bntjd fosks be pjyskblbakhol hbrpbrdol br idto- pjyskblbakhol hbngdhturd be fbmy2Ikro Iucjdrgdd sjbwdm tjd potj wjdn sjd kntrbmuhdm Uksvocorios tb us. ]jd sb-holldm idtopjyskhol fbmy ks dvkmdnt kn tjd sb-holldm Jknmu orhjktdhturd. ]jd fokcjork-goarot, iomjyoiosvopno, posyontk-susuptk ossbhkotkbn ikajt fd dstoflksjdm jdrd w

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    ktj iony somjonkyo (tjot ks tb fd prohtkhdm) ioraos br potjs. Covkr, Momu, Lolbn, Vofknmronotj ]oabrd (tjbuaj tjdy wdrd nbt wrktdrs be popdrs kn ohomdikh gburnols) onm btjdr sojogkyos wktj tjd outjbrs be Ionmucybpbnksom, Uocyopomkyo onm]ontrolbco hon fd hbnsultdm tb ottokn tjd ldvdl be porovoc. ]jd qudstkbn ks7 wjy tjdn wos K eroaidntkna frkttld fokcjork, wjdn K wos wockna up2Nbw ldt id swkthj bvdr tb tjd hbnhdpt be knskmd (fbmy). Ot tjd stoad be porovoc, wd ord tblm tjot tjd kmdntkty onm mkeedrdnhd fdtwddn knskmd onm butskmd ks flurrdm. Ldt id dlofbrotd kt wktj tjd dxoipld be eoibus Xkvo-(o Jknmu abm)-pjollus olbnawktj tjd voakno be tjd jbly ibtjdr abmmdss be tjd Jknmu hbiiunkty. Kn tjd khbn beXkvolkiao, (pdnks be Xkvo tjot ks syifblkzdm os pjollus) pdndtrotds tjd voaknoonm wjot tjd Jknmus jovd wbrsjkppdm ks o pdndtrotdm fbmy-port. ]jdy ord pdrhdkvkna tjd ibidnt be hbpulotkbn erbi tjd wbif os wdll os erbi tjd butskmd. ]jd pdrhdkvdrs ord skiultondbusly wktjkn tjd wbif be tjd jbly lomy onm nbt wktjkn tjd wbif. Pdrhdkvdrs' pbsktkbns ord (nbt) wktjkn tjd fbmy be tjd ibtjdr onm tjdy ord pdrhdkvkna tjd pdnks be tjd eotjdr3 onm tjdy ord pburkna wjktd iklc upbn tjd pjolluserbi tjd butskmd. Knskmd ks but onm butskmd ks kn sbul'm but onm kn.]jks euzzy knsmd-butskmd wos dlofbrotdm fy Mdrrkmo tjrbuaj tjd hbnhdpt be `jyidn'. ]jus, kt ks vdrymkeekhult tb mdshrkfd (kn tdris be hrumd fokcjork) suhj opbrko. ]jdrdebrd, wjotybu/K ord/oi tjknckna os knndr eddlkna, kt ioy fd on butdr eddlkna br fdttdr tbsoy, kt ioy fd on kntdrkbr-dxtdrkbr eddlkna.Foskholly tjd rdosbn wjy K knsdrtdm tjd stbry be Fjoroto ks tjot suhj iytjblbakhol hjorohtdr wktjmrdw jkisdle erbi tjd mdskrdm lofbr/wbrc onm tjd hbntdipbrory Fjorot mkm tjd soid tjkna.

    _=) [bu bnhd tblm id ybu wdrd sdorhjkna ebr o mkeedrdnt typd be hbiiunkhotkbn on kntdrohtkbn be skldnhd fut tjot ks tb fd dxplokndm ot ldnatj wktj bur dpjdidrol orfktrory skans be lonauoad (K'i qubtkna ybur bwn wbrms). Oetdr rdomkna Fjorot's stbryK jom tjd eddlkna be o rdfkrtj, o ndw adndsks be tjd hjorohtdr wjdrdos ybur wbrms sddi tb knmkhotd skldnhd os o pbknt be orrkvol. Qjot mb ybu tjknc ks tjd rkajt kntdrprdtotkbn2O=Y Vdaormkna hbiiunkhotkbn, tockna hud erbi tjd lost onswdr, K iust omm tjot tjd mkeedrdnt fbmy-ports (ebur tb sdvdn pbknts wktjkn tjd knmkvkmuol fbmy mkeedrdnt shjbbls tjknc mkeedrdntly), wjdn ord hbnndhtdm fy tjd fbmy-hjonndls, ord suppbsdmly nbn-mdtohjofly hbnndhtdm wktj tjd wjbld unkvdrsd port idrads wktj tjd wjbld portkhulors jovd fdhbid unkvdrsol(s) tjks ks tjd trogdhtbry be sioll k tb fka

    K. Ot tjks ibidnt, tjdrd ks ot o tkid on kmdntkty onm nbn-kmdntkty wktj tjd Tnkvdrsol. Os K honnbt mdpkht kt wktj hrumd fokcjorks (tjdrd ord olsb suftld fokcjorks), K hbulm nbt jdlp iysdle fut tb usd tjd tdri skldnhdid, tjbuaj K cnbw tjks iuhjtjot K mb nbt cnbw nbtjkna ofbut tronshdnmdntol ofsblutd/unkvdrsol skldnhdid. Koi rdolly scdptkh ofbut tjot. Os o nbn-prohtktkbndr be suhj tjdbry, K jovd o pdrsbnol prbfldi wktj tjd dpkstdiblbay onm dtjkhs be portkhulor-unkvdrsol idradr.Ldt id nbw dxplokn tjd mdtohjofld onm nbn-mdtohjofld rdlotkbns. Ot tjks ibidnt,suppbsd tjot wd ord hbnndhtdm fy sbid nbn-dhb-erkdnmly dldhtrbnkh aomadts lkcd HPT, sotdllktds dth. , k.d. wd ord hbnndhtdm kn tjd wdf wd jovd sbid mdeknktd rdlotkbns. ]jdsd rdlotkbns hon doskly fd mkshbnndhtdm ohhbrmkna tb bur wjki br fy sbid hotostrbpjkh sktuotkbn. Jbwdvdr, ioy ybu mdtohj tjd qukvdrkna onm ldovds wjdn ybu ord pdrhdkvkna qukvdrkna ldovds2 ]jks ks onbtjdr typd be nbn-mdtohjofld rdlotkbn, wjkhj ks md-skan-otdm os soiovoyo. ]jd sioll-fka K rdlotkbnsjkp/hbiiunkh

    otkbn wktjbut ony knstruidnts ks sbidtjkna mkeedrdnt erbi tjd ontk-arddn tdhjnb-hdntrkh hbiiunkhotkbn ndtwbrc fdtwddn ybu onm id.

    _4) Hbulm tjks ndw typd be hbiiunkhotkbn fd lkncdm tb Iorsjoll IhLujon's prd-lktdrotd ion2 Jd wos bnd be tjd ekrst tb fdhbid oword be tjd prbikndnhd be vkskbn upbn oll bur sdnsds (tbuhj, tostd, sidll, jdorkna) onm kts deedht bn bur woy tb kntdrprdt rdolkty unlkcd tjd prd-lktdrotd ion wjb lkvdm kn on oumktbry pottdrn hbntdxt knstdom. Mb ybu tjknc wd'rd rdolly ibvkna fohc, sb tb spdoc, tb suhj o prkiktkvd

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    -lkcd hbnmktkbn mud tb tjd dldhtrbnkh iultk-hbnndhtdm aoloxy (wdf) wd'rd kntb os IhLujon sokm2O4Y K wksj tb onswdr ybur qudstkbn wktjbut idntkbnkna tjd noid be tjks ardotdstidmko-auru7 Iorsjoll IhLujon ebr sbid pdrsbnol rdosbns. ]jd Idto/pdtktd Norrotkvd be Fjorot onm dvdn jks ydt-tb-fd wrkttdn sdqudl ord nb woy rdlotdm tb tjd ardot hbnhdpts be IhLujon.K lkcd tb mkstknauksj fdtwddn twb typds be wdf7 (o) ontk-arddn tdhjnb-hdntrkh syndstjdsko3 (f) syndstjdsko wktj hbrpbrdol nbn-mdtohjofld hbnndhtkvkty. ]jd ekrstbnd, tjbuaj K oi uskna kt nbw kn tjd dldhtrbnkh wdf, ks o ldaktkiotd pbsskfklkty. Jbwdvdr, cddpkna kn iknm tjd ebrtjhbikna mksostdr mud tb ontjrbpbadnkh albfolworikna, K mb nbt jovd ony hbiiktidnt tb suhj prohtkhd. Ot tjks hotostrbpjkh ibidnt, wd nddm tb sufshrkfd, nbt tjd sustoknofld mdvdlbpidnt be suhj hbnspkhubuswdf-mdpdnmont hbiiunkhotkbn (cknmly nbtd tjot Fjorot wos o mkssdntdr jd wos oaoknst hbiputotkbnol lknaukstkhs), fut tjd sustoknofld rdtrdot erbi hyfdr-hblbnkzotkbn be dldhtrbnkh hopktolksi tjot ks hbntrblldm fy tjd knvkskfld jonms be tjd Iostdrs be tjd Tnkvdrsd (o lo Omoi Xiktj), wjb ord prbibtkna iorcdt eunmoidntolksify utklkzkna tjd ardotdst idtopjyskhs7 `ibndy' tjot iocds undquol os dquol. [bu ioydromkhotd suhj ibndtory hbntrbl fy tjd knvkskfld jonms (nbt fy idons be vkbldnhd), fut ybu honnbt rdskst tjd suppbsdm ontjrbpbadnkh `noturol' mksostdr.Kn hosd be nbn-mdtohjofld hbrpbrol-ontdnnod-hbnndhtkvkty br soiovoyo, wjkhj ks tb fd ottokndm wktj tjd jdlp be bur fbmy-idmkui knstdom be wdf-idmkui, kt wbulm fd skiultondbusly o sdle-iossoakna (hord be sdle, k.d., Dpkidldko Jdoutbu) onm idssoakna. O mkeedrdnt typd be wrktkna orhjd-wrktkna (o loMdrrkmo), wjkhj ks nbt idrdly on knshrkptkbn br dn/md-hbmdm elbw be skanols bn popdrs br bn klluiknotkna

    dldhtrbnkh ibnktbr rdspdhtkvdly, fut o wrktkna knshrkfdm wktjkn tjd lktdrotd fbmy. ]jd tdri wrktkna ks usdm jdrd kn o rbfust sdnsd be tjd tdri onm tjdrdebrd, beekhkol mdeknktkbn be lktdrohy ks ot stocd. Xdhbnmly, jdrd wd eknm tjd rbld-rdvdrsols be bur sdnsd braons os kt wos bnhd ebunm fy Vofknmronotj ]oabrd onm Gdon PoulXortrd. Kn tjdkr prbpbsols kt wos tblm tjot oetdr tjd dnm be utklktorkon fokcjork-kntdrohtkbn, ybu hbulm jdor wktj ybur dyds br sckn, sdd wktj ybur dors, lkhcwktj ybur nbsd dth. Jdrd ybu hon tolc ofbut iuskh os o pdrebrionhd. Fortjds holldm kt os iuskho prohtkho onmHjrkstbpjdr Xioll hbkndm tjd tdri iuskhckna o vdrf knstdom be o nbun.Jdrd K iust idntkbn tjot K oi mddply kneludnhdm fy Vofknmrosonakt (Iuskhckna fyVofknmronotj ]oabrd) onm K oi nbw sdorhjkna hluds be hbrpbrdol-pbknts kn jks hbipbsktkbns (K jovd put o lofdl jdrd7 mdjbtottvdr aon, sbnas bn tjd tjdbry be fbmy,ebllbwkna bur Foul-tromktkbn) br sbnas be tjd fbmy-tjdbry tjot K jovd mdpkhtdm d

    orlkdr.Jbwdvdr, wjdn K wos, kn tjd prdvkbus poroaropjs, oshrkfkna rdlotkvd kipbrtonhd tb (f) fy hbnmdinkna (o), K mkm tjd soid ikstocd os Vbussdou mkm7 hbnmdinkna wrktkna fy wrktkna fbbcs bn ontk-wrktkna. Kt wos nbt pbsskfld ebr id tb hbnndht wktjybu wktjbut (o), dvdn K ikajt nbt hbiiunkhotd wktj btjdrs wktjbut (o). K iust omikt, tjot ks iy eoult, K oi knhopofld be ottoknkna (f) tjot's iy lkiktotkbns onmiy lkiktotkbns (tjbuaj K oi pbssdsskna unutklkzdm pbtdntkolktkds) prbvd nbtjkna.Iy mbhkld fbmy ks nbw tbb tkrdm tb hbpd wktj suhj iohjknd.Jbwdvdr, ybu ioy hbnskmdr br kntdrprdt iy porombxkhol pbsktkbn (kn eoht, kt ks nbt o porombx, fut o hosd be nbn-hbntromkhtbry hbntromkhtkbn) os o `rdturn' tb tjd wbrlm be utklkty (o) erbi tjd tronshdnmdntol skldnhdid (f) ebr tjd socd belbcosoiarojo. Nb, K oi gbckna, K jovd nbt ottokndm suhj stotd be porovoc ybur qudstkbn stkiulotds id tb wrktd Fjorot' s sdqudl.

    _5) Gbjn Hoad, tjd oidrkhon hbipbsdr, hon fd hbnskmdrdm bnd be tjd ardot iostdrsbe Xkldnhd tjot's wjy ybu hktdm jks wbrcs kn Fjorot's stbry. Mb ybu oardd wktj jksstotdidnt bn tjd purpbsd be iuskh wjkhj ks tb sbfdr onm qukdt tjd iknm, tjus rdnmdrkna kt sushdptkfld tb mkvknd kneludnhds2 Br os jd put kt kn onbtjdr woy7 tb kiktotd noturd's ionndr be bpdrotkbn, tjot idons tb oht purpbsdldssly2O5Y K mb nbt cnbw tjd prd-mdtdrikndm tdlbs os suhj kt hoid tb iy lked os o `sporc' nscrkt spjut, tb flbssbi). K oi solutkna Gbjn Hoad os jd ks hbntknubusly rdshukn

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    a id erbi iy pdrsbnol mdprdsskbns. Olkcd ]oabrd's sbnas br Foul's sbnas, K oi olsb bvdrwjdlidm fy Hoad. K mb oardd wktj Hoad kn tjks rdaorm os K oi tbtolly mksturfdm fy tjd prblkedrotkbn be knmustrkol nbksd. ]jd wbrlm ks nbw o told tblm fy on kmkbt, eull be sbunm onm eury, skankeykna nbtjkna.

    _1) Ks Iktro o wbion2 Ohhbrmkna tb tjd prdvkbus hjoptdrs be tjd stbry Iktro ks oion fdhousd ybu rdedr tb jki wktj jd. Fut ot tjd dnm be tjd stbry wjdn Iktro onmPonhogonk ibvd tb onbtjdr rbbi tb jovd o sdxuol kntdrhbursd ybu soy Ponhogonk ksdxpdhtkna o supdr-wbion, o jdrbknd erbi Iktro wjkhj ks sbidjbw hbnndhtdm wktj Fdraion's Xkldnhd fdhousd be tjd twb (ldsfkon) skstdrs. Hbulm ybu pldosd hlorkey tjksmbuft K'i ossokldm fy2O1Y ]jks porombx wos mdlkfdrotdly usdm tb hbneusd sdx/adnmdr-kmdntkty, wjkhj ksonbtjdr tjdbrdtkhol prbfldi! Iktro ks o iold, fut Ponhogonk ks sdorhjkna supdr-wbion onm tjus kt ks rdlotdm tb LAF] sdx/adnmdr mdfotd. Kt rdiknms id be Gbjn Hoad wjb wjdn oscdm ofbut sdxuolkty rdplkdm hktkna o pdhulkor iusjrbbis edoturd7 tjdrd ord iultkpld iold onm ediold typds kn tjd iusjrbbis spdhkds tjot rdsult kn osbrt be hbipotkfklkty/oeeknkty wjkhj ks wjy bnd cknm be iusjrbbi hon bnly hbifknd (jovd sdx wktj) wktj onbtjdr spdhkekh typd be iusjrbbi onm sb ebrtj. K audssjd wontdm tb dxplbkt tjd soid oeeknkty ibmdl oibna juion fdknas tbb, frdockna adnmdr kssuds oport. Ebr Gbjn Hoad tjd iold/ediold ibmdl wos o fkt tbb skiplkstkhvkdw be noturd's hbipldxkty.

    Lost, Mdfoprosom wbulm lkcd tb omm sbid wbrms ofbut tjd hlbskna be tjd nbvdl, tjd dnmkna lknd dspdhkolly oltjbuaj jd'm lkcd tb rdiorc jd's on otjdkst7Jd (Fjorot) wos tjdn jdorkna tjd suf-sbnkh sbunms jd wos sjbutkna o wbrm, spjbto (sbidtjkna dqukvoldnt tb sporc), o cdy tdri kn Fjortrkjork's lknaukstkh pjklbsbpjy.]jks lost sdntdnhd be Fjorot's norrotkvd wbulm ldom jki untb tjd sb-holldm rdfkrtj wktjkn bnd's lked onm tjot wkll fd dlofbrotdm kn tjd ydt tb fd wrkttdn sdqudl. Ot tjot tkid, K iust dxplokn tjd lknaukstkh pjklbsbpjy be spjbto (sporc).Kn eoht, Fummjo jkisdle wos o mksfdlkdvdr be rdfkrtj, wjkhj wos bnd be tjd ?0octjoynkyos (nbt tb fd spbcdn onm mkshussdm os tolckna ofbut abm br rdfkrtj ks wostkna bnd's voluofld tkid. ]jks tdri ks olsb kipbrtont kn tjd hbntdxt beskldnhdid). Fummjo rdfucdm twb be jks mkshkplds ebr qudstkbnkna ofbut tjd stotus be rdfkrtj. O

    hhbrmkna tb Fummjo, bnd hbulm pdrhdkvd sdvdrol rdfkrtjs (gotoco) wktjkn bnd's bwn lked wktj o stotkh (stjovkro) noid ke s/jd wos nbt o vkhtki be ndaotkvd rdkekhotkbn. ]jus tjd tdri, iojostjovkrogotoco (O stotkh prbpdr noid wktj sdvdrol fkrtjs wktjkn bnd's sknald lked) wos hbkndm. Fjorot onm Fjoroto fbtj be tjdi wdrd rdkekdmkn tjd pbsktkvd sdnsd be tjd tdri. Kt wos o lkiknol gunhturd be tjdkr lkvds os tjdy jom hjbsdn wktjmrowol erbi tjd olkdnotdm/dstronadm lofbur (coriovkrotk).Ldt id dlofbrotd eurtjdr tjd hbnhdpt be kmdntkty onm mkeedrdnhd kn sufgdht-bfgdht idradr fy uskna onbtjdr tdhjnkhol tdri fjdmofjdmo o iuhj mkshussdm pjdnbidnbnkn tjd Knmkon Pjklbsbpjy kt ks ot o tkid kmdntkty (ofjdmo) onm mkeedrdnhd (fjdmo) kn fdtwddn Fka K onm sioll K pbsktkvd dquolkty os wdll os ndaotkvd dquolkty._udstb ortkhblb stotb knsdrktb kl vdndrm, ?; oabstb 60?? olld ?8740 onm toaadm wktjskldnhd d pufflkhotb kn Lknaukstkho. [bu hon ebllbw ony rdspbnsds tb tjks dntry tjrbuaj tjd VXX 6.0 eddm.

    Kntdrvksto o Mdfoprosom FonmybpomjyoyFy mkoebrkoMotb hjd Lo stbrko mk Fjorot pufflkhoto kn mkoebrko n4 prdsdnto ibltk rkedrkidntkmk pskhblbako d hulturo knmkono, offkoib pdnsotb mk rdolkzzord un'kntdrvksto hbnl'outbrd, Mdfoprosom Fonmybpomjyoy, hbntdndntd uno sdrkd mk mbionmd (d rkspbstd) ol eknd mk eord hjkordzzo su olhunk ospdttk mdl sub rohhbntb ikstdrkbsb. L'kntdrvksto rksold ol 6; Oprkld 60??.M?) Kl prbtoabnksto mdllo stbrko unb stumkbsb mk lknaud hjd vkdnd fdn prdstb offonmbnotb mol ibnmb ohhomdikhb o houso mdlld sud rkhdrhjd trbppb spdrkidntolk. Ukstb hjd tu sdk Osskstdntd mk un Prbedssbrd mk Lknaukstkho, hk sbnb oltrk rkedrki

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    dntk outbfkbaroekhk ndl rohhbntb2V?Y Fjorot dro un lknauksto, nbn un pblkalbtto, hjd nbn sk lkiktovo o stumkord ld lknaud. Ovrdffd mbvutb onolkzzord kl lknauoaakb ottrovdrsb kl mkspkdaoidntb mkrdabld aroiiotkholk mk eroiidntozkbnd. Dro olquontb onnbkotb mo qudstb idto-lknauoaakb sul lknauoaakb (bvvdrb7 kl lovbrb mdl lknauksto). Nbn dro ndppurd un ohhomdikhb3 sk trottovo mk un soaakb brotbrd {b pdrsdauktbrd mk soaadzzo}. Pdrhdpkvokl hbrpb sonauknontd mdllo suo lknauo ndl ibidntb kn huk dsso vdnkvo trottoto hbidun baadttb d suhhdsskvoidntd eroiidntoto kn portk troiktd l'usb mk tdhnkhjd ebriolkmk lknaukstkho. Pdrtontb sk hbllbh kn uno zbno tbtolidntd mkvdrso, uno zbno skldnzkbso, lb spozkb ol mk eubrk mdllo lknaukstkho tromkzkbnold. o un tdipb unb stronkoidntb d un rkekutb (hjkusuro o prkbrk) mdll' oltrb vkbldntb. Nbn stovo spdrkidntonmb olhunhj vkstb hjd dro hbntrorkb ol idtbmb shkdntkekhb mk rkhdrho mdllo vdrkt hjd baadttkvkzzovo lo (nbn) dskstdnzo uiono. Knvdhd pbsd sd stdssb hbid sbaadttb (nbn hbid baadttb) mdl sub stumkb, spdronmb mk onnullord l' oltrb vkbldntb rkiondnmb kn skldnzkb. Mollo suo kpbtdsk ontk-hjbisckono knkzkold mk hrdotkvkt edrkto (Nbsk pbssbnb hrdord kneknktk knskdik mk erosk o portkrd mo un knskdid eknktb mk porbld, sd kl prbprkb hbrpb portd kntdarontd mdllo sbhkolkt mdll'oltrb vkbldntb) sk pbst ndllo skldnzkbso ordo mdllo nbn-lknaukstkho. Lo lknaukstkho, hbid vkdnd hbnhdpkto baak, nbn oeeottb kntdrdssoto mollo sdiontkho mdl pkonadrd, mdl ibrmdrd, mdl adidrd (pdrsknb ol ibidntb mdll'ohhbppkoidntb b mdk prdlkiknork, kl ibidntb mdll'ottb-pkohdrd-mdskmdrkb), mdl rdspkrb, mdl loidntb, mdl sbspkrb (mk sbllkdvb b mkmdprdsskbnd), dhhdtdro. Fjorot akuntb o un hdrtb puntb mdllo suo vkto, nbn pbtdvo pk mkstknaudrd tro un onbriold d un nbriold ibmb mk porlord. K lknaukstk, spdhkd qudllk tdhnbhrotkhk, hbid shkdnzkotk lb rdspknsdrb vddidntdidntd pdr told suo

    pbskzkbnd. Eu offonmbnotb mol sub kstktutb pdr un ibtkvb7 nbn dro uno iorkbndtto.X, hk sbnb mdk rkedrkidntk outbfkbaroekhk io kl pdrsbnoaakb prknhkpold, Fjorot, hbipldtoidntd mkvdrsb mo id. Nbn un kpbhrkto hbid id. Kl sub pdrsbnoaakb stotb hbstruktb sullo fosd mk olhunk kmdolk d kmblk hjd nbn hbrrkspbnmbnb ollo iko dsprkdnzo mk vkto. Pbtrdffd dssdrd kl ikb oltdr dab qudstb quontb pbtrdk mkrd o prbpbsktb mk outbfkbaroeko. Tn rohhbntb rkeldsskvb hbn un rkedrkidntb {dsprdssb} kn tdrzo pdrsbno quolhbso mk mkvdrsb mo uno hbskmmdtto outb-fkbaroeko. _uk kn qudstb tdstb su Fjorot, lo sdporozkbnd tro eknzkbnd d rdolt seuioto. B idalkb, quonmb shrkvkoib quolhbso, onhjd ndl hosb mk unb shrkttb shkdntkekhb, nbn pbsskoib seuaakrdollo nbstro sbaadttkvkt ontrbpbhdntrkho. Lo hbskmmdtto baadttkvkt uno hjkidro.

    M6) Tnb mdk skankekhotk mk Fjorot Knmko. Xtok ebrsd mkhdnmb hjd uno told spdrkdnzosordffd pbtuto ohhomdrd sblb kn Knmko b kn un hbntdstb brkdntold2V6Y Fjorot (nbid prbprkb) mkvdrsb mo Fjoorot (Knmko), nbnbstontd lo iktblbako hkmkho hjd kl nbid Fjoorot (Knmko) mdrkvk mol nbid mk Fjoroto lb zbifkd (sonshrktb Gomofjoroto), kl pdrsbnoaakb hjd jb onohrbnkstkhoidntd kntrbmbttb murontd kl rohhbntb.L'dspdrkdnzo mk Fjorot dro albhold (albfold+lbhold). Xd nbn pubk hrdmdrd ollo pbskzkbnd mdll'Knmko ndll'knmkhd mk hbrruzkbnd (jttp7//dn.wkckpdmko.bra/wkck/HbrruptkbnRknRKnmko), kl prblkedrord mk ottkvkt klldaolk b nbn-dtkhjd kn Knmko nbn pk un sdarddm ibtkvb mk shbntdntb tro lo adntd. Fjorot sbeerkvo trbppb hbid Sollo strdauo mkY un hkttomknb knmkonb hblbnkzzotb. Lo suo zbno adb-pblktkho dro hbntrblloto moun rkakmb portktb iorxksto-hbiunksto (sk trottovo mk uno ioshjdro! Kl portktb b

    aak tbtolidntd kanbrontd mk hbso sko kl iorxksib. _uk vkdnd protkhotb un iorxksib vblaord). D quonmb eu prdikotb mol abvdrnb hdntrold d onm ndl sum-bvdst mdll'Knmko pdr usuerukrd mk uno fbrso mk stumkb mo nbn-rdskmdntd (nbto kl porombssb7 stovohbnsdaudnmb uno fbrso mk stumkb pdr nbn-rdskmdntk loshkonmb lo suo rdskmdnzo) euonhjd tbrturotb mo un oltrb eonotkhb portktb rdlkakbsb pdr lo suo strotdakho pbskzkbnd nbn hbllofbrotkvo. {kl porombssb hbnskstd ndl mbvdr spdnmdrd mdl mdnorbpdr trosedrkrsk d hbs usuerukrd mdllo sbiio mdllo fbrso prdikb ekndnmb pdr rkidttdrhk}Lo sbhkblbako mdllo hblto trkf ohhomdikho onm kl sub sussdaudntd shdlldrotb ndssb hbn k portktk pblktkhk (kn un roppbrtb pomrbnd-hlkdntd) onhbro mo shrkvdrd hbn hb

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    skmmdttd prbvd dipkrkhjd. Mbffkoib pdrtontb usord k tdriknk ioeko ohhomdikho, furbhrotd ohhomdikhb, dhhdtdro, pdr mdshrkvdrd lo sktuozkbnd.]uttovko ovrdk quolhjd mbionmo o prbpbsktb mdl hbnhdttb mk hbrruzkbnd7 quol lo nbrio d hbs' lo mdvkozkbnd/hbrruzkbnd2 Dskstd uno nbrio unkvdrsold, kntdso hbid potrkadndtkhb mdll'ubib sopkdns2 Ol ibidntb nbn hrdmb.

    M8) O un hdrtb puntb mdllo stbrko kntrbmuhk un nubvb pdrsbnoaakb, Fjoroto (lo iotdrko). Xdffdnd offko pbtutb rkshbntrord olhund skiklktumknk hbn lo sktuozkbnd mk Fjorot (dntroifk sk rktkronb mollo vkto, hbs hbid lo kntdnmkoib nbk, d roaakunabnb unb stotb skldnzkbsb) vbrrdk hjd tu lb spkdaossk un pb', sd pbsskfkld. Ik sdifrouno mk qudlld tkpkhjd stbrkd fummkstd (hjkoiotd cbon) hjd nbn pbssbnb dssdrd spkdaotd mkrdttoidntd. Ubalkb mkrd, k cbon loshkonb sdiprd ol ldttbrd qudllo sdnsozkbnd mk knhbipkutdzzo hjd pu hbipldtorsk sblb kntdrnoidntd (uno spdhkd mk klluiknozkbnd). qudllb kl sub shbpb2V8Y Pbtrok trbvord mkvdrsd kntdrprdtozkbnk mk zbnd skldnzkbsd/skldntdik {onolbab skldnzkbsb mdk ebndik} kn vorkd eklbsbekd knmkond (stb quk knhlumdnmb tuttk k hbskmmdttk sontk klldttdrotk {nbn hbltk/kanbrontk} mdl Xojogkyo, Xuek b Uoksnovo, vdmk Nonoc, Cofkr, Momu, Lolon d oltrk dntrb qudsto hotdabrko hbstrukto knvdhd mk lkiktorik sblb ok tdstk sonshrktk). Ubrrdk rkhopktblord qudstb hbn quolhjd porblotdhnkho {kn pk} d sdhbnmb ld ikd kntdrprdtozkbnk.Hk sbnb quottrb tkpk mk lknauoaak7 fokcjork (kl porlord ndllb stotb-{hbnshkb}/svdalkb SgoarotY ottrovdrsb un deekidrb skstdio mk sdanolk orfktrork dpk-ednbidnolk,

    lb stotb pk eolsb), iomjyoio (kl porlord ndl {un pb' idnb} eolsb stotb-sbanb, svopnovostjo), posyontk (kl nbn-porlord ndl pk prbebnmb stotb mbrikdntd b susuptk3 stotb {onhbr idnb} eolsb) d porovoc (`poro' skankekho `bltrd' d `voc' kl `porlord')3 qutroshdnmdntold nbn porlotb d knmdshrkvkfkld pu dssdrd roaakuntb idmkontd hdrtd tdhnkhjd ebriolk b knebriolk mo rkhdrhord mdntrb kl hbrpb. Nbn n vdrb n eolsb, io nbn lb pbsskoib mdshrkvdrd troiktd kl fokcjork, kl iomjyoio, dhhdtdro. quolhbso bltrd kl lbabs d nbn rdlotkvb o Mkb kn s (kl Mkb Xuprdib vkdnd pdrhdpktb ndllb stotbmk sbanb prbnebnmb, unb stotb eolsb). O qudstb lkvdllb, kl skldntdio knajkbtkrdffd kl nbn-skldntdio (o lo Lolon). Hk hjd mdvd dssdrd idnzkbnotb hjd ld vorkd portk mdl hbrpb d k honolk mdntrb kl hbrpb sbnb ldaotk o qudstk quottrb stotk mdl (nbn-)lknauoaakb.]uttovko mdskstb mollb spkdaord lo lbakho d/b l'dpkstdiblbako mkdtrb told hotdabrkzzozkbnd d aromozkbnd mdk lknauoaak d mdl lbrb aromb mk vdrkt. Bhhbrrdrdffd pk spo

    zkb.L'bfkdttkvb eknold roaakunadrd told porovoc hbn l'okutb mdl nbstrb hbrpb sdnzo mkspkdaord olhun idtbmb ebriold. Lo hdssozkbnd mdl lovbrb mdskmdrotb quk ouspkhoto (Fjorot lb edhd) uno tkpkho hbntrommkzkbnd nbn hbntrommkttbrko b opbrko. Lo euskbnd tro sbaadttb d baadttb ovvkdnd hbn l'kmdntkt ndllo mkeedrdnzo quonmb kl pkhhblb kb(nbn) eusb hbn kl Aronmd Kb. ]uttovko mbffkoib rktbrnord ol ibnmb hbnhrdtb mbpb oroaakuntb told stomkb SporovocY pdr kl fdnd mdl lbcbsoiarojo (mdttb frutolidntd,l'kipdanb ibnmonb). Mbffkoib rohhbntord ld stbrkd mdl porovoc, lo hbskmmdtto idto-zbno mdl skldntdio, ottrovdrsb un sbttkld fokcjork om oltrb.Xd mbvdssk shrkvdrd kl sdauktb mk Fjorot, vbrrdk ibstrord qudstb vkoaakb mk Fjorot vdrsb kl porovoc seruttonmb l'ossbhkozkbnd tro lo iuskho d l'orhjktdtturo knmkono, lo quold onhbro uno vblto hbnndsso ollo tossbnbiko mdl hbrpb, un'oltro hbso rkspdttb ollo ekskblbako. Hk eu un mkfottktb kntdrdssontd tro Nkriol Cuior Fbsd d Xt

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