Advising Students on Advanced Placement &

International Baccalaureate

Ensuring Transfer Success Spring 2009

This session will cover: •  AP role play, with a true-life example

•  Statewide CCC master grid for AP applicability to AAGE requirements

•  Santa Monica AP chart

•  “How will my IB exams be applied?”

•  IB chart (draft version)

•  Proposal for ASSIST to publish AP articulation

•  Q&A

Here is the Scenario •  Chad is a high school senior •  He has been admitted to Santa Cruz for

the upcoming fall •  Money for college is an issue •  Chad’s father works on the community

college and insists that the counselor talk to his son and convince him to attend community college

AP Chad did in high school

Subject Units IGETC Biology (4) 5.3 semester 5B w/lab World Hist. (3) 5.3 semester 3B or 4F US Hist. (3) 5.3 semester 3B or 4F Art Hist. (4) 5.3 semester 3A or 3B Eng. Lit. (3) 5.3 semester 1A Total 26.5 units

Courses Chad took while in high school:

Math 2: Pre-Calculus – 5 semester units Counseling 11: Orientation to Education – 1 semester unit

AP Units toward transfer 26.5 units Coursework toward transfer 5.0 units Total units completed: 31.5

units

Summer 2008 Classes

Total units completed: 31.5 units Math 52 Statistics: 3.0 units Psych 1–Introductory: 3.0 units Total at end of summer 37.5 units

Fall Semester

Total Units completed: 37.5 English 2-Crit. Anal. & Comp. 3.0 Philosophy 1-Knowledge/Reality 3.0 Psychology 11-Growth and Dev. 3.0 Sociology 1-Introductory 3.0 Total at end of Fall 49.5

Spring Semester

Total Units completed: 49.5 Art 20A–Drawing 1 3.0 Astronomy 3–Stellar with Lab 3.0 History 1–Western Civ. 3.0 Psychology 2–Physiological 3.0 Total at end of Spring 61.5

So, if Chad stays for one year…

•  Chad walks into Santa Cruz as a Junior and is quite capable of finishing in 2 years

•  Chad has completed lower division general education

•  Chad has completed all lower division preparation for the major

•  Chad saves thousands of dollars

“How will my AP exams be applied?”

•  How will they apply to an AA degree? •  How will they apply to UC units/admissions? •  How will they apply to CSU units/admissions? •  How will they apply to IGETC? •  How will they apply to CSU GE? And finally… •  How will they be considered in the major?

AP Questions ?

International Baccalaureate

•  UC System-wide IB policy –  If CCC faculty equates credit for IB exams as

equivalent to CCC IGETC–approved courses, they can be used

•  Campus policies at the CSUs – There is no current systemwide policy for IB

•  IB policy for IGETC •  What happens to my exams at the campus

level?

Campus Example: How IB is applied

•  UC Example: Chemistry IB Exam at UC Davis

–  Score of 5, 6 = Chemistry 10 (Concepts of Chemistry) –  Score of 7 = Chemistry 2A (General Chemistry)

•  CSU Example: –  Score of 4 = 10 units of credit for CHEM 1101 and CHEM 1102

–  Clears local GE Area B1 or B5 and B3 •  Moral of the story: IB exam applicability at the campus is

variable and arduous

Proposal for ASSIST to Publish External Articulation: AP, IB, CLEP

• CIAC proposal to ASSIST in March 2009 to post external exam articulation including AP, IB and CLEP; –  External Exam applicability to the IGETC and CSU GE –  Individual CSU and UC exam policies, including major

prep • Opportunity for CSU and UC campuses to identify external

exam credit at the campus level • Provides CCC counselors and transfer students with

consistent, direct and accurate information • Outcome looks favorable and, if approved, implementation

will occur fall 2009

Where we are today

•  Hopeful future – CSU expects to have something in May – Hoping IGETC subcommittee of ICAS will

have something in May

•  Draft version of IB chart •  Proposal for ASSIST to publish IB

articulation

AP & IB Resources • UC Quick Reference – IB policy www.universityofcalifornia.edu/educators/counselors/ adminfo/freshman/advising/credit/baccalaureate.html

• AP chart: www.calstate.edu/app/general_education.shtml

• Transfer Counselor Website ccctransfer.org

• International Baccalaureate www.IBO.org

• Current campus -- specific information can be found in campus catalogs

Questions?