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2015

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The Evolution of the

Law of Attraction

ESTHER HICKS IN CONVERSATION WITH REID TRACY

[Intro music]

TRACY: All right, well, thank you, Esther, so much for coming to be part of the Hay House World

Summit. I’m excited because we’re here in Louise’s ofce.

HICKS: I thought that’s where we were.

[Laughter]

TRACY: Which is how we all got together. Louise was a big fan of Abraham and—

HICKS: Yeah.

TRACY: —and she used to come and see you and Jerry every year, or twice a year, even, when you were

in San Diego, and it was nally, she said, Reid, I want you to come and meet Esther, and we were able

to work together and get your books out there and kind of help spread the word all over the world. So—

HICKS: I remember all of that vividly. It was thrilling to us, yeah.

TRACY: Yeah, well, it was so exciting. And so, I know later we’re going to get to talk to Abraham—

HICKS: Yeah—

[Laughter]

HICKS: Sooner, sooner than you—

[Laughter]

TRACY: And I know that you’re always, you love to get Abraham in, so Esther can go away, but—



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[Laughter]

HICKS: Oh, yeah—

[Laughter]

TRACY: But I know that you personally have been listening to Abraham, obviously, you don’t necessarily

know what Abraham is saying while you’re getting asked the questions, but you denitely listen to

Abraham a lot when you’re editing the tapes and—

HICKS: You know, I hear them. I hear what they say, so I’m kind of sort of aware as it’s happening. I just

don’t know any of the backstory. I don’t know why they’re saying what they’re saying or, yeah—

TRACY: Oh, okay. Oh, that makes sense, so, but also, I know that, you know, you and Jerry used to always

like really try to apply the, what you’re hearing, and—

[Laughter]

HICKS: Oh, we don’t live it. We just teach it—

TRACY: No, you denitely live it. You live it more than any, almost any teachers I know, or maybe any

teachers I know, but you guys really, and you, and I think you’ve seen it work well in your life over the

time—

HICKS: Yes, yeah, for sure.

TRACY: And are there any like things that you’ve learned that you can share with people, of practices that

you personally do, like, that Esther does to really help stay in the ow and stay . . .

HICKS: You know, through the years, every process is evol-, has evolved because there’s been something

going on. And so they always gave the process to me rst, and then I always really worked at, because I

believed that, because they’ve never told me anything that didn’t turn out to be exactly right.

TRACY: Right.



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HICKS: So, when they offer a process, I always do my best to apply it. And recently, they’ve been telling

us that every process that they have ever offered is for one single purpose, and that’s to soothe us, to help

us feel better. And so, I just reach for whatever process makes me feel better at the time. Some of them, ifI’m, it depends on how much momentum I’ve let get going before I’m smart enough to apply a process,

because if I catch it quick, then it’s simple. If I, if I let a little momentum go, so it’s not quick, then it takes

a different process, and they’ve kind of outlined which processes work best for which emotions. But what

I’ve just learned is just do whatever I can to make myself feel better.

Recently, I’ve been saying to myself, [chuckles] and they’ve been teasing me about it, but I’ve

been saying, when I get on a thought that doesn’t feel good, and I’ll just say, well, that was unpleasant. You

know, and then lately I’ve been saying, well, that was unpleasant and unnecessary, you know, because it

isn’t necessary to think unpleasant thoughts. We do have control over what we think about, but, so it’s all

about the momentum.

TRACY: And it’s, I guess it’s paying attention to what you’re thinking—

HICKS: Caring, caring about feeling good.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: You know, after you’re used to feeling good, you just can’t stand not to. You know, and it doesn’tmean I always do, because sometimes something happens and I have a sort of knee-jerk response to it.

And if I have any conversation, then I get going down that path further and it, it surprises me how much

momentum, negative or positive, can get going so fast. It just doesn’t take, you know, you can just barely

be thinking something and almost immediately you’ll interface with somebody that kind of has the same

thing going. And then, if you engage in a conversation about it, then you’re really off and running.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: You know, and it can set the whole, the tone for the whole day. So, I try, I don’t always do it, but

I try to bask as I go to sleep, so that I kind of get out ahead of it. And then in the morning, I always try to

just stay there long enough that I catch good-feeling thoughts before I get going into the day. Jerry used to

beg me [chuckles] not to read e-mail until after lunch, because the e-mail is where all of the you-need-to-

do-something-about-this comes, so, and we liked to do our creative work in the morning, and so he’d say,

please don’t, don’t, but of course, you know, that’s not very practical—





TRACY: Right, it’s hard. It’s tempting. It’s just sitting right there—

HICKS: It’s not very practical. But the idea of it is, if I can get positive momentum going rst, Abrahamhas been telling us for years an analogy of a merry-go-round in the playground and that you want to get

on and the kids have already got it going too fast, and so you can’t get on. It just kind of knocks you off

when you try. And lately, I’ve been thinking that that merry-go-round that’s really spinning fast is like me

and my positive momentum. So if I can get my positive momentum going early, then anything that might

approach me just bounces off.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: It’s really, it’s helping me a lot.

TRACY: Wow, that’s amazing.

HICKS: Yeah, yeah.

TRACY: And it, the last time that we got together, you said something that really was, like, had a big

impact on me. You said that, you know, even though I’ve recently lost Jerry and gone through so much,

that I’m still the happiest person I know.

[Laughter]

TRACY: And [laughs]—

HICKS: Well, I am mostly. I am, mostly. I am, yeah.

TRACY: I mean, I think that’s like a big statement, you know, like it just shows, I think, the power of what

Abraham has been teaching and how you’ve applied it. I mean, it’s really, like, it’s an amazing thing, really.

HICKS: I am a little embarrassed to say that I didn’t realize how much my happiness was depending on

just observing the good life we were living. So, all these years, Abraham has been giving us all these

processes, and I’ve been applying them. But truthfully, I didn’t have to apply anything very hard because

I was really living happily ever after.

So, it wasn’t until something happened that wasn’t so happy—





TRACY: Right.

HICKS: —and then I found out these are really good processes.

[Laughter]

HICKS: You know, they work. They work if you work them, they work.

TRACY: Right. And are there any of the processes you did that really helped you go, get back to that

feeling?

HICKS: Well, of course, meditation is a process that everybody knows about, that one helped me really a

lot. And then, the other process that I use more than any, more than all of the other processes, well, there

are two. The placemat process is really my favorite because my MO is I get overwhelmed because I take

on sometimes more than I have physical time for.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: And so, the placemat process just causes me to identify what it is I really need to do today, and—

TRACY: Can you describe that for everyone? Like, there’s a lot of people that might not have known or

heard you and know what the placemat process is, but one of the things we’re really trying to do in these

interviews is give practical advice for—

HICKS: Well, that’s what this is, really, the, and I’ll never forget. We were sitting in the Macaroni Grill,

the original Macaroni Grill in San Antonio, and they have these, they have paper over the tablecloths and

crayons, and so, and I was overwhelmed and complaining about having too much to do. And Jerry said

what he usually said when I was complaining, let’s ask Abraham—

[Laughter]

HICKS: And so, Abraham just took one of those crayons and just drew a line like down the middle and a

line across the top, and on the left side, they wrote, things I will do today, and on the other side they wrote,

things I would like the universe to do today.





TRACY: Wow.

HICKS: Now I had a notebook with me that day, pages and pages and pages of things that I needed to do,and they said, just take some time and look down those, that list, and anything that absolutely must be done

today, write it on your side of the placemat.

So, it took me awhile, but I went through the list, and picked out just very few things that really

needed to be done that day. So I wrote them down, and then they said, now everything else goes on the

other side of the placemat. And they said, take the time to do it. Well, it took a long time, and so I left—

TRACY: It took a long time to separate them—

HICKS: To move them, because there were so many of them.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: So I took a pen out of my purse, because the crayon wasn’t working out that well—

[Laughter]

HICKS: —and I started writing them. And with each one I wrote, Abraham said, we’re going to releasethat to the universe today. We’re going to release that to the universe today. We’re going to release that to

the universe today. And I just felt myself feeling lighter and lighter. It was like, later they explained that

what the process does is it causes you to identify what you want, but it also causes you to get into a softer

state of allowing it, because I was all balled up and had all these things to do and I was all tense about not

having enough time to do them.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: So, what that, and of course, they explained it a lot afterward that, that knowing what you want

and being in a state of allowing it, well, what I noticed, so I really got after that process. I mean, every

morning I would get up and do it. And I started noticing that the universe was getting my list done faster

than I was.

TRACY: Right. Believe me, I’m going to be doing that process. I can’t believe I didn’t [chuckles] remember

that one from the book—





[Laughter]

HICKS: Ask and it is given. I don’t remember what process it is, but, so that one, I use that one a lot, because it softens overwhelmment.

They said the other day that what overwhelmment is, is the energy moving fast and you not being

up-to-speed with it. So, and that’s what, of course, my list was doing. It was making me ask, ask, ask, ask,

but I was tense, and so, you know, I hit all the red lights and people I called weren’t there and I couldn’t

get the airline ights I wanted and so forth. But when I started leaving it to the universe, it was like it pre-

paved it. It smoothed everything out.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: The other one, the other process that I use most is meditation, because, especially lately, because

when I quiet my mind, I can feel right away, I guess I’ve been doing it long enough that, when I stop

thinking, or when I deliberately decide not to think, and I always focus on some sound. It’s really quiet in

here. I can’t even nd a sound. But usually there’s an air-conditioner I can focus on, or, you know, or the

sound of trafc or something. So, I’ll just focus on some sound.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: And as I do, then I can feel myself just relax into a state of non-thought.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: And the way Abraham explains that is, when you quiet your mind, your vibration raises, just like

a cork oating up to the surface, and I can really feel that. So, I like to just sit in that feeling, because I

know, they’ve convinced me, I know this for sure, that everything that we’ve asked for is all lined up and

that the universe is working on it.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: It’s in the vortex, is Abraham’s terminology. It’s, and that the only thing that is keeping me from

being on a comfortable path of it, or even seeing manifestational results of it, is my own resistance. So,

meditation is just such an easy way to let go of resistance.





TRACY: Right. And when you rst started talking with Abraham, I know that, I mean, there are, your

connection wasn’t as strong as it is today.

HICKS: It was as strong. The connection was instantly strong, because Jerry was, had been summoning

it, so it was strong. I just wasn’t as up-to-speed with it, and so, it was a little rougher translation. It was

awkward, and it really made me tired. You know, I could only go like 10 minutes and I was exhausted. And

then later they helped me to understand it was my own tension.

TRACY: Oh, I see, okay. And did you learn to meditate and relax more and connect more, or it was just

you learning to deal with the energy?

HICKS: I think it was, most important was me trusting them, because I didn’t know, I didn’t know what

was happening. Me relaxing and realizing that they weren’t possessing me, you know, that they were

answering questions, and that they were there because of my request. They weren’t asserting themselves.

They were there because of my request. And like if something would happen, if the phone would ring or

someone would knock on the door, or Jerry would just feel impatient because he wanted to get on with

something, they’re very sensitive to all of that. And so, you know, they had no, they were only there for us.

TRACY: Right. And then one of the questions I ask people, you know, is there anything you’d love to

know from Esther, and one of them was that, does Abraham ever tell you things or do you always ask, ordo people always ask Abraham questions or does sometimes Abraham go, look, dummy, tell them this?

[laughs]

HICKS: I think the most important thing to understand about the answer I’m going to give you is that we

ask in all kinds of ways, there are a lot of things we’re asking for without actually putting it into words. So,

and this is true not just of Abraham. We all have our Abrahams. Source is answering all of us all the time.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: So, the more specic we get, if I say, I really want to know about this, they will answer it as

specically as I’m able to hear the answer, but they’ve taught all of us relative to other people that we’re

wanting to help, don’t answer questions that aren’t being asked. With Abraham, they always know what

the question is. That’s why they know exactly who to pick from the audience. You know, they know who’s

ready. They know how strong the question is and how likely they are to be able to receive the answer. So,

they don’t tell me anything that they don’t think I’m ready to receive the answer. That’s—





TRACY: Or that you even ask. Mentally you’re asking and then they give it to you.

HICKS: Yeah, that’s the best, but I think it’s them knowing my readiness to hear the answer is what makesthem say what they say when they say it, because there’s no point in telling somebody something that

they’re not ready to hear. It’s like, if somebody’s complaining and you’re trying to help them understand

that their complaining isn’t helping, you’re telling them that their complaining isn’t helping isn’t helping

either, because they’re not, they want to be soothed. That’s why they’re complaining, you know. So that’s,

Abraham is a soother, always a soother.

TRACY: Right. And my last question for you and then we’ll let Abraham get here—

HICKS: Oh, good. [chuckles]

TRACY: —you can go relax and let—

[Laughter]

HICKS: Let them do the . . .

TRACY: It’s, again, back to you and Jerry, so one of the most amazing things of all, we used to havelunch a lot, the three of us, and one of the things that I really, really like was so impressed with was the

relationship of you two. Like, you would talk and he would, like you guys would almost be able to say a

sentence every other word without interrupting each other, like—

HICKS: Well, he probably wouldn’t have said that.

[Laughter]

HICKS: He probably felt interrupted a lot, but we did have a good ow, and still do, still do.

TRACY: And it’s like that relationship that you guys had, I mean, like a lot of people, I know, when they

come to see Abraham, they ask how can I nd the right person, how can I get a better relationship, but

asking you, Esther, like what do you think the key to the relationship was that you and Jerry had? Like, it

was an amazing relationship, and everyone says it. It’s not just—





HICKS: Well, now you’re going to make me cry. Hmm, just give me a minute.

First I have to tell you something else, because I just gured this out yesterday, so it’s interesting

that you’re asking this. I can hear Jerry. I can converse with him really easily now. And when I’m justreally ying high, he’s just right there. It’s so interesting, how smart I am, stuff that he knew that I didn’t

know that was his part of the business that I didn’t really know, so he’s just, if I’m really feeling good, he’s

just right there owing, and it’s like elation. It’s like a feeling almost of invincibility.

So then, this feeling happens, and it occurred to me yesterday that it’s not because he’s gone. It’s

because he’s right there at that high frequency, that something about the conversation makes me dip in my

frequency, which makes it feel sad instead of elation. I just gured that out yesterday.

TRACY: Wow.

HICKS: Yeah. So, I, we just really like each other. He’s so smart. You know, I think the primary reason is

because we were vibrationally compatible before we came together. You know, we had the good fortune

of being in a good place when we met, and so, so, I mean, we never had an argument. We never had any

cross words, about anything, ever. But I think it’s because we were happy when we came together, and so,

and then we had the good fortune of being able to expand together.

And we also had Abraham, who, you know, if there was ever anything that was a ripple in either

one of our vibrations, they helped us to sort it out.

TRACY: Right. And you guys shared that with everybody, so everyone can use that information—

HICKS: Well, we had no choice.

TRACY: —that’s the amazing thing. So, you guys would have any problem and then you’d share it with

the world.

HICKS: Right.

TRACY: You guys have any issue and you share it with the world.

HICKS: Right, right. [chuckles] Abraham blabbed everything.

TRACY: And that’s probably like all the people that get your tapes each month, they have that advantage

of, I guess, sharing your lessons—





[Simultaneous discussion and laughter]

HICKS: It goes two ways. Sometimes they would say, people would say, oh, we really like how you guysmess up all the time because it lets us know you’re human, and then we learn from what Abraham is

teaching you, but then others would say, if you can’t get it—

TRACY: Right. [chuckles]

HICKS: —then what chance do we have? And so, [chuckles] but we never tried to hide anything, because

there’s no point. And because I really believe that the contrast in our life is what causes the expansion, and

the expansion is what we all came for. And so, just more lately than ever before, I don’t feel any need to

apologize ever for not being in the best place, and I’m not always in the best place. If you talk to the people

who are up close to me, they’ll tell you that, you know, there’s a difference. Jerry used to— [chuckles]

Jerry used to say you should make a sign with Esther on one side of it and Abraham on the other because

you’re different.

[Laughter]

TRACY: Depending on which one’s there.

HICKS: Exactly. And Abraham always teases that we look so much the same, you know, that we should

give them a warning—

TRACY: Right—

[Simultaneous discussion and laughter]

HICKS: —who they were encountering.

TRACY: —you’re going to just carry it around—

HICKS: Exactly, exactly.

TRACY: And so that other thing about you and Jerry and Abraham that always struck me is that like, I’m

probably the last person that ever thought he’d be sitting here talking to someone who talks to Abraham,

because of my background, I was a CPA—





HICKS: Jerry’s, too.

TRACY: —I didn’t believe, like, any of this stuff, and you two kind of were like that, too—

HICKS: For sure.

TRACY: —but all of a sudden, you have this come in. Like you—

HICKS: Right.

TRACY: —and even in your minds today, you’re feeling like this isn’t that weird because you know that

you guys are so practical, you know.

HICKS: Well, you know why I think it isn’t weird, is because everybody does it. We all have, except we

don’t know it and so we block it. I mean, anything that, I’m realizing now, see it’s interesting because

when Abraham came to us, Abraham was not someone we knew. It wasn’t like a grandfather who had died.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: It was a consciousness that, it was innite intelligence. And it came in response to Jerry’s really powerful, really thought-out questions that he’d gotten from his life. So, the moment that Abraham started

speaking through me, it was practical and loving and the deepest wisdom. And because Jerry was so, he

had studied so much about business, about psychology, about human relations, he was such a teacher

and read everything, so when he met Abraham, he knew that there was something big and important,

and because I knew Jerry, we were together ve years, we’d been married for ve years before we met

Abraham, I trusted Abraham because I trusted Jerry.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: And Jerry was just on re. He just, he couldn’t, he just couldn’t talk to Abraham enough. It was

like so much that he wanted to know, and Abraham was just so practical. The rst, Jerry would say, we

lived in Phoenix at the time and we would be driving and something would happen in trafc or he would

see some injustice, and so he was always asking Abraham, “Well, why are people like that, or why is that

happening, or what about that?” And Abraham would say, “Well, that’s not your work. Well, that’s not

your work. And, well, that’s not your work.”





And nally Jerry said, “Well, what is our work? What, if it’s not, if our work isn’t to x things that

are broken, then what is our work?” And so, Abraham said, “We thought you would never ask”—

[Laughter]

HICKS: And then we began, then they began talking about what our work was.

TRACY: Right. I mean, everyone who hears Abraham and reads the books, the information is amazing,

and I think that’s what brings people—

HICKS: I think that’s a credit to Jerry, because Jerry was practical, and his questions were practical. And

they always said that we made a good team, and now you and our audiences, people around the world,

because Jerry was asking, and they say that, you know, the vibration of the question and the vibration of

the answer are so different that, when our question is really active within us, we can’t nd the answer. So

that’s why the asking is like step one. And then the answering is step two. That’s where Abraham comes in.

But then you have to be in the vibrational place to allow the receiving of the answer, and so, and

that really is what our work is all about, because everybody’s got questions, and source has been answering

all of us all along. This is not a special situation. Source is answering all of us all the time.

TRACY: I think that was a great point that you made earlier, is that you have Abraham, but everyone hasAbraham—

HICKS: Everybody does, yeah.

TRACY: They have their own version of Abraham.

HICKS: And what I had was Jerry, who was going to keep asking until he understood the answer, and

that’s, so we were doing that for a long time before we told anybody else about it. So by then, you know,

Abraham had had a way of explaining it that was easy for people to understand.

TRACY: And did Jerry have, like you say, everyone has someone that helps guide them, so did Jerry have

different people that helped guide him?

HICKS: You know, I don’t know what the collective consciousness is. You know, we talked a lot about

that, Jerry and I, because there was no way that we could dene who Abraham is, or where they come





from, and Jerry was extremely intuitive. You know, I know, I think he was living Abraham on his own,

before we ever met Abraham and they began explaining their philosophy of life.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: Jerry was always an allower. You couldn’t pick a ght with him. He looked for the best in

everyone, always.

TRACY: So he almost knew the answers before they were asked—

HICKS: He did. I think through trial and error in life. You know, I think we all know that. That’s why the

most common thing that people say to us after they get an opportunity to hear Abraham or read Abraham

is, it’s like I always knew this, and so I think what Abraham does is just help us nd our natural resonance

with source, and then we’re off and running.

TRACY: Yeah. And is the easiest way for people to connect to their own through meditation, their own

knowledge or their own answers?

HICKS: I think it helps to know a few things. I think it helps to know that a question and an answer are

different frequencies. A problem and a solution are different frequencies. So I think it helps to know, don’tkeep beating the drum of the problem or the answer is never going to come.

The other day, I mean, I’ve been doing this for a long time. We met Abraham in 1985—

TRACY: Wow.

HICKS: And the other day, I have this process where when I pack, I take everything out of my suitcases,

because I accumulate stuff everywhere I go, so I take it all out and I have a checklist and then I put

back in what matters, and so that I’m secure when I get on the airplane that I have what I need with me.

And I have this external hard drive. It’s orange and it’s only this big. And it’s got everything from all

my computers, and I carry it with me just in case there’s something I want, because my new computer

doesn’t have it all in it.

And I’m freakishly worried about that because it’s got so much data on it, and I don’t want to lose

it. And I don’t want somebody else to get it. All the things that Abraham would say I shouldn’t feel about

it, I kind of worry about this thing, you know—





[Laughter]

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: So I took it out of my bag, put it on a carpet, that was about the same color as this carpet, and

when I went through the checklist, I couldn’t nd it.

TRACY: Wow.

HICKS: And, Reid, it was right in plain sight but I couldn’t nd it. I know that sounds—

TRACY: No, I—

HICKS: —like a crazy person—

TRACY: —I think everyone would understand that—

HICKS: —like a crazy person—

TRACY: —we’ve all been kind of in that position—

HICKS: It was right there.

TRACY: Yeah.

HICKS: So, I called Mark, told him I thought I’d lost it, asked him if I maybe had given it to him because

we exchange these orange drives all the time. He said, does it say old MacBook Pro on it? I said, yes, it

does. He said, it’s right here on my desk. So I said, well, I don’t know why I would have given it to you,

but now I relaxed. And now I’m putting something else in the suitcase and there is an orange drive, and

that’s the orange drive I’m looking for. The one he had was the one before.

TRACY: Right. So once you let go—

HICKS: Once I thought it wasn’t lost, once I stopped freaking out, that it wasn’t lost, if it hadn’t

happened to me, I’m not even sure I would even want to hear that story from someone else because it

was in plain sight.





So, it’s like we can’t nd the solution when the problem is active. It’s just like that.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: And so, so I think Abraham just has soothed us into more recognizing that the answer is always

there. We have a thing that we put on our dashboard, and it’s reverse print so when you look at it, you can’t

read it, but when it reects back in the windshield, you can read and it says, things are always working

out for me.

TRACY: Oh, wow.

HICKS: And I think that’s what Abraham has helped us to understand, is that no matter what, no matter

how it looks, things are working out. And if we will relax and know that, then they will work out fast.

So you asked about what’s the easiest way for me, and meditation is a really good tool. Appreciation is

equally good, but if you’re in a bad mood or something’s happened, you can’t nd appreciation, it’s too far

away, where meditation, I can always quiet my mind. I can always slow it down, but I can’t necessarily,

and then it gets up-to-speed. You know, the vibration raises.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: And the other thing I was going to say, because I’ve been hearing Abraham tell this to the audiences,

that they say because you are patient enough to sit and listen to us ramble for this 20 or 30 minutes, you

are now up-to-speed, because you can’t, you just can’t listen to happy music or to positive conversation

without it tuning you upward. And I can’t listen to negative stuff without it tuning me downward. So . . .

TRACY: I guess no matter where we are in the process, we always are going to have some negative stuff.

HICKS: Yeah, and that’s okay. They’re really trying to convince us that that’s okay, because without the

contrast, we can’t gure out what, the new that we want, and without guring out what we want, then

the energy doesn’t ow. And if the energy doesn’t ow, then we don’t feel alive. I mean, it’s all part of it.

I mean, I used to be embarrassed when things would go wrong, like I wasn’t living what Abraham was

teaching, and now they’ve convinced me that, without that contrast, I can’t dene anything and it’s my

dening it that is my expansion.

So, and Jerry always said, oh, good, something to wonder, oh, good, oh, good, something to gure

out. He never was embarrassed by any of that. He, you know, because he was never pretending that he was

something that he wasn’t.





TRACY: Right, there you go. That’s great. And that’s another amazing lesson, is that everyone says, oh, if

you’re teaching all this you should be perfect, and no one is perfect—

HICKS: Yeah. Oh, and not die. People are, we get, there’s a lot of interesting comments of people, well,

of all the people, you know, you should have been able to prevent Jerry from making his transition, and I

say, believe me, if I could have, I would have—

[Laughter]

HICKS: —but it turned out it wasn’t my choice.

TRACY: Right. Well, that’s one thing, no one gets out without making that transition. You haven’t heard

of anyone yet and I don’t think we’re—

HICKS: Oh, it’s a wonderful thing, too. It’s a wonderful thing.

TRACY: Right. And in your communication with Jerry, has he given you any like tips of things that, you

know, like this, I really realize this is the thing we should do here?

HICKS: Oh, the best thing, about a month ago, and it, [chuckles] it’s helped me so much. So one day, itwas something about work, about something going on there, and I couldn’t gure out what to do. And so

I was kind of trying to feel it out, you know, well, what do you think and what do you think and what do

you think? And so, I write with Jerry just about every morning, and so, of course, I’m saying, what do you

think, because what he thinks is always really good.

TRACY: Right.

HICKS: And he said, “You know, your opinion about your life, about our business, matters more than

everybody else’s put together.” And then he said, “I don’t really want to say opinion as much as perspective.

Your perspective really carries a lot more weight.” So, when you decide something, you didn’t come upon

it frivolously. It’s based upon all these years of knowing how things go and knowing what you want and

knowing how it works out and knowing what feels best. You didn’t make that decision frivolously, but

now you’re worried that somebody else isn’t going to like it.

TRACY: Right.





HICKS: And so then when you ask somebody else how they, what they think about it, all you do is

introduce clutter into your vibration. And he said, “And we know, don’t we, we know that alignment is

about no resistance. It’s about no clutter.” Oh, it’s like, it’s like I just felt such elation in that moment. Itwas like the weight of the world lifted off of me.

And it sort of made me kind of want to say, so this is what I’ve decided and I don’t care what you

think, and that’s pretty bold, but this is what I’ve decided and I don’t care what you think, because if I

care what you think, if you disagree with me, then I’m all fractured. And if I’m fractured, then I’m not in

alignment. If I’m not in alignment, then I’m not allowing what I want. It was brilliant.

TRACY: Yeah.

HICKS: But just the way he said it.

TRACY: Yeah, and it’s so interesting because we have an author named Anita Moorjani, who had this

near-death experience, and she had like, like she was dying. She had tumors the size of tennis balls all

throughout her body. And she was in a coma and the doctors said she won’t leave the hospital tonight, you

know, and she went to the other side. And her message is, “The most important thing you can do on this

side is be yourself.” And that’s almost the same thing that you’re saying—

HICKS: Oh, and like yourself—

TRACY: And like yourself, yeah.

HICKS: —be who you, be yourself and like yourself—

TRACY: Because she—

HICKS: You know, it’s funny—

TRACY: —that’s what she spent all her time trying to make everyone else happy.

HICKS: It’s funny that you’re saying this to me, because while I was driving, the words “Be true to

yourself” were kind of coming across in my mind. I didn’t have the radio on, and I wasn’t, I didn’t want to

talk to Jerry. I was just enjoying the drive. But those words came across my mind, “Be true to yourself,”

and then I thought, well, what does that mean? And then I thought, well, to me that means to be, if I’m





true to who I am, then I’m a match to Abraham. And so they always love. They never hate. They’re always

nice. They’re never mean. They’re always love. They’re never afraid. You know, and I think that’s what

that means, be really yourself, be who you really are.

TRACY: Be real to yourself—

HICKS: Be who you really are.

TRACY: Different than be the person everyone else thinks you should be.

HICKS: Nobody knows, do they?

TRACY: No. So . . .

HICKS: Yeah. Hmm, fun.

TRACY: Okay, so now I have some questions for Abraham.

HICKS: Oh, good.

[Laughter]

HICKS: All right, it just takes a few seconds for me to bring them in, and then they’ll just say hi. [Breathes

deeply]

ABRAHAM: It is nice to have an opportunity to visit.

TRACY: I’m going to start off with just a simple question that I know many of the people that follow

your work and things have, and that is, there’s been like a group, like we started with law of attraction,

then the vortex, then the grid, and I was just wondering if there’s a difference between those or is it just an

extension of the work over the years?

ABRAHAM: It is an expansion of the work, certainly, and it is a further explanation. In the beginning, most

people that we were visiting with really did not understand that they are vibrational beings, at all. Most

people are action-oriented. They are keeping score of the things that they possess and of the behavior of

themselves and of others. But most people do not understand that there is a vibrational basis of everything.





And so, we began talking about the law of attraction, which is the manager of that vibrational

basis. And so, we explained that you are the creator of your own reality. Those were words that were

spoken by Seth, and Seth explained that you create your own reality. Jerry wanted to know, how is thatso? It seemed like a good idea, to create your own reality, but how do I create my own reality? And so we

began explaining that you create your own reality because you are offering a vibration and that vibration

is being answered by things that match it.

And so, law of attraction is the best way to explain that. When you are focused upon something

that is making you feel angry, that anger is your indication that you are not in vibrational sync with what

you really want, but you don’t know it.

So, then we explained that, not only was it helpful to know that you are a vibrational being, but

that you can control your vibrational output, because unless you are controlling it, then you are still the

creator of your own reality, but you are doing it by default. You are having responses to things, it’s this

sort of vicious cycle that so many people live in. They see something they don’t like, they think about it,

they offer a vibration about it, then they get more of it, then they talk more about it, and so, it was really

to help people understand how to break that cycle.

So, we talked about law of attraction, and for a while we were calling the body of work the science

of deliberate creation. And we very much like the word science because science indicates ongoing. It

indicates evolution. But people got a little too in their head about the science of deliberate creation. They

began to be, they became too concerned about their words. They would say something and then try to

cancel it, try to slurp it back before the universe could get a hold of it.

TRACY: Right.

ABRAHAM: And so, we wanted to emphasize the part that humans really play in the deliberate creation of

their own lives, because they don’t really consciously ask, not really, because life just poses the questions.

When you know what you don’t want, you then know what you do want. It happens naturally. You knew

it when you decided to come into this time-space reality.

So, that part you don’t have to gure out because it happens naturally. We call that step one, asking.

Step two is not your work. That’s the part where the universe answers. That’s where source answers.

Everything that you are asking for is always answered. But step three, that’s your part. You have to be a

vibrational match to what you’re asking for. And so we began calling it the art of allowing.

So for quite some time, that was the basis of what we taught. We explained to people that the basis

of your life is freedom. And the purpose of your life is joy. And the result of that will be never-ending

expansion. But people don’t want to hear that. They believe that growth is what they’re here about—





TRACY: Right.

ABRAHAM: —and so they put the emphasis on the growth, and we’re trying to put the emphasis on the joy. So, we began talking about how you explore the contrast, and the contrast causes you to send out

these vibrational rockets of desire. And every time you do that, vibrationally those requests are answered.

People don’t believe that because they don’t see the results of them. They don’t see the manifestation, and

they want the manifestation.

So, we began, your words are good words, in the expansion or the evolution of the message, we

began to realize that we needed to nd a way to help people accept that they were, in fact, launching

rockets and that those rockets were, in fact, being answered and that creation had, in fact, taken place. So

to make it tangible, something that people could get their thoughts around, we explained that there is this

vortex, it’s a vibrational reality, it precedes all manifestation, and if you can accept that it is real, that it

has happened, that it is true, that your request has been answered, then you’re in that state of allowing, and

then it can manifest for you.

So then we realized, as we were interacting with a lot of people, that they were sort of, kind of

accepting the reality of this vortex. But they could not make the jump. If it’s in the vortex, then how does

it become reality? So, we began explaining that, once your frequency matches the frequency of what’s in

the vortex, then you realize it. Then it occurs to you. Then it manifests. Then it becomes actual. Then it’s

tangible. Then you can see it and hear it and smell it and taste it and touch it.

But rst, it doesn’t manifest instantaneously. It manifests in the form of an idea or an impulse or arendezvous. Before you called Jerry and Esther and asked if Abraham would write a book that you could

publish, Jerry had been saying for about a month, I’m ready to let this expand, I think it’s time for more

people to nd out about Abraham. So he had known that the information was of value, but he had just

barely begun speaking, this is something that I want.

And as soon as he spoke, this is something that I want, his grid lled in.

TRACY: Oh, okay.

ABRAHAM: In other words, the grid lled in, a phone call from Louise. Several things happened around

that. Several leaders in this eld of helping, Wayne Dyer called and said, “If there’s anything that I can

do to help expand this message, please, just ask.” John Gray called, “If there’s anything that I can do, just

ask.” People who were already uplifting, people who already had audiences gathered, in the moment that

Jerry framed those words into a sentence, I’m ready to let this expand, the grid began lling in. And that’s

the kind of thing that we’re wanting people to understand. It’s not an easy thing for people to understand

a vibrational universe when they are accustomed to viewing the world in tangible form.





And so for most people, they want to see it before they are willing to accept it, and we want them to

understand, you have to accept it before you are going to see it, even though it’s all around you. What you

want is zigging while you’re zagging, unless you are a vibrational match to what you want. And peopledon’t realize, most are not a vibrational match to what they want. Most people are a vibrational match to

the absence of what they want because that’s what they’re talking about. I wish I had that, or when that

comes to me, I will feel better, but their emphasis is up on the absence of what they want.

TRACY: Right. One of the big issues that people have, like when we do things on the Hay House Facebook

or websites or even in Louise’s work for all these years has been forgiveness, and that’s a huge issue for

people, and I was wondering what your thoughts are on forgiveness.

ABRAHAM: Well, we’ve teased our friends with that word, telling them that we’ve never forgiven

anyone because we’ve never condemned them to begin with. Just because we want to get their attention,

not because we are showing off—

TRACY: [Chuckles] Right.

ABRAHAM: But what the true meaning of forgiveness is, if you think about what we’ve been talking

about and what you were talking with Esther about, about your vibration, your true vibration being a

very high, pure frequency. You are love in physical form. You are pure positive energy. That’s who youreally are. We like the analogy of the cork bobbing on the surface of the water, and you can hold it under

the water, but when you let go, it will bob back. And that bobbing back to the surface is what we know

everyone who is physically focused will do energetically when you make your transition.

In other words, if you’re not doing something that holds you in a lower vibration, your vibration

will naturally raise. So, what forgiveness really is, is distracting yourself from the excuse you were using

to have a lower vibration, I blame that or I blame that. And we say, you are valid in your reasoning because

that isn’t something you want, and perhaps that isn’t something that that person should have done if they

were really being true to who they are.

But by focusing upon this so-called wrongdoing and calling it wrong and using it as your excuse

to not bob up there in the frequency that is you, you feel terrible. That’s what hatred and anger are. That’s

what those feelings of guilt and blame are. So, true forgiveness is just letting go of that cork. And what it

really is, is distracting yourself from the excuse that you were using for the lower vibration.

TRACY: Right.





ABRAHAM: Well, that’s not an easy thing to do because you didn’t come to that opinion easily. You came

to that opinion by what you have been observing. So that means, you have to care enough about feeling

good to deliberately observe other things. And most recently, really recently, since we’ve been talkingabout the grid, we’ve been explaining to people that, if you can get out ahead of things vibrationally rather

than having knee-jerk responses to things, because when someone’s rude to you, it takes someone really

tuned in for that to bounce off.

But if you have been meditating that morning, if you’ve been tuned in, tapped in, turned on, if

you’re feeling good, if you’ve been listening to music, if you are in love with life and someone’s rude

to you, you don’t take it that hard. You just recognize that they’re having a bad day. You don’t, and then

later, you don’t have to forgive yourself or ask them to forgive you because you were rude back. It’s sort

of about accepting that people are where they are, that you get to choose where you are.

TRACY: Right. And usually people are looking back at something that happened in the past and they can’t

let go and let the cork go up, as—

ABRAHAM: And they’re feeling regret, and regret is perhaps the most wasted moments in time, because,

rst of all, you can’t go back and undo it because it happened. And it really is about just deciding, right

here, right now, I want to be as in alignment with who I really am as I can, what’s the easiest way for me

to get there, what’s the best-feeling thought I can nd from where I am?

And sometimes that best-feeling thought is not all that good- feeling, by others’ standards. Ifyou’re depressed, revenge is a better-feeling thought. And if you are feeling revenge, then hatred is a

better-feeling thought. And if you’re feeling hatred, then anger is a better-feeling thought. And if you’re

feeling anger, then frustration is a better-feeling thought. And anyone who expects themselves or anyone

to jump from depression into joy, it’s not going to happen, because law of attraction is giving you things

that are very close to where you are.

So, you have to get hold of the idea, rst, that I’m a vibrational being, and next, that my emotions

are letting me know how far apart I am from who I am and what I want, how far apart I am from what’s in

my vortex, which includes my inner being, my soul, my source, God, whatever you want to call that pure

positive energy. How far apart from it am I? And then, just don’t be so hard on yourselves, because you

came to explore contrast. You didn’t say, I want to go into an environment where everything is perfect.

There would be no expansion.

TRACY: Right.





ABRAHAM: You said, “I want to go into an environment where I am inspired to choices beyond what

I know.” Esther would have never, ever, ever chosen Jerry’s, what she considered to be extremely early

departure, he was 84, that’s not early departure by most standards, but Esther thought he was invincible,was way early for her. She would have never wanted that or admitted that she wanted that. There was

nothing about that that she wanted.

But out of that contrast has come enormous expansion for her. And that may be what frightens

people about contrasts. They don’t want to be tested, and you never are. But they don’t want to stretch into

what is uncomfortable. And we want everyone to understand that you never need to stretch for very long

into what is uncomfortable, because things are always working out for you, but you have to nd a way of

letting them work out for you.

You have to let go of that tension. You have to stop beating the drum. You have to stop holding to

those unpleasant thoughts. You have to stop blaming others or yourself. You have to nd forgiveness. But

the nding of forgiveness really is the nding of the higher frequency, the natural frequency, the frequency

that is really who you are.

TRACY: Right. One of the questions I know you get a lot in all the seminars and things like that are,

people have, like, dreams of nancial success, and like the reason it took off around the world was, Esther

and Abraham and all your work to get out there, The Secret put it in, and then it, like, went, took off, and

then people thought all I have to do is think a good thought and everything will come to me, a lot of money,

a lot of different things.And so I think many people have simplied it and really haven’t wanted to do what’s necessary

to really have it work for them in their lives. It’s like, when I was talking with Esther earlier, she said

sometimes I forget and I have to do the work and I have to do things, and many people just don’t seem

like they want to do the work to accomplish things in their life. Is there, like, a message to explain this or

is there a way people can help to apply things to create the nancial success that they want?

ABRAHAM: This is the easiest way to explain this. If you have, let’s say there are 10 predominant aspects

to your life, things that you think about frequently. Of course, there are more, but let’s say there are 10.

And nine of them are not going that well. Your relationship isn’t working and you don’t have enough

money and you’re not happy at work and so forth. There are nine signicant things that are not working

out for you, but there’s this one thing that you feel really good about.

If you would give most of your attention to that one thing and let it be the reason that you are

training your vibration upward, then the other nine things would begin improving, because when you ask,

it is given. That’s that vortex that we’re talking about.





TRACY: Right.

ABRAHAM: And because it is given, and it is in the vortex, then all you have to do is nd a way to bevibrationally in alignment. Or another way of saying it is, don’t do that thing you do that keeps you out

of alignment.

So by fussing about the things that aren’t going well, you hold yourself in a frequency that doesn’t

let things that could very well go well. So if you focus on something that is going well for you and use that

as your reason to offer your vibration, then you raise your vibration, and then all of the answers that you

are looking for can ow to you.

The thing that hinders most people about money is that it interfaces with them on so many levels,

and so they are thinking about it a lot, but they are thinking about it from the aspect of not having it rather

than from the aspect of having it. We offer a process. We call it the wallet process, where somehow nd

a hundred dollars and put it in your wallet, and then notice how many things you could buy today with it

if you wanted to. Don’t spend it. Just think about how often you could if you wanted to. It will give you a

feeling of prosperity, and in time, in a very short period of time, money that you didn’t expect to ow to

you begins owing in.

Words do not teach at all. It’s odd that we offer so many.

TRACY: [Chuckles]

ABRAHAM: Because it is only life experience that teaches. So, if we can offer a process and someone

will then apply it and then they get results from the process, then we always like to explain what that

process helped you do was release some resistance or practice less-resistant thoughts, because you’ve

done enough wanting to keep yourselves busy for 20 or 30 lifetimes. Your vortex is full of everything you

want. You just need to stop doing those things you are doing that is keeping it from coming, especially on

the subject of nancial abundance, because that, that is something that comes up so often, you could show

yourself really easily.

Also, we like to encourage you to start with things that are easier. You show yourself that law

of attraction is responding to you relative to easier things, and by easier we mean things you haven’t

practiced contradictory thoughts about so much. Then, after a little while, you begin to feel invincible. It

doesn’t take much before you show yourself. Sometimes you will forget, but you will always be able to

fall back on some of those things that have happened.

TRACY: And is it sort of like everyone says the rich get richer and the other people struggle because those

people really just believe that it’s easy to—





ABRAHAM: It certainly is a law-of-attraction thing, because when you feel prosperous, you are

vibrationally not resisting. A very common question to Jerry and Esther through the years has been

about the subject of tithing, should we tithe, and we like to explain that the reason that tithing often canturn prosperity in someone’s experience is because, if you have this feeling of abundance and you are

appreciating your own well-being and you have the feeling that not only do I have all that I need and want,

but I have excess that I would like to give to someone else, that’s prosperity thinking. That’s abundance

thinking. There’s no shortage consciousness.

So that’s why some who tithe thrive and some who tithe don’t thrive. We say tithe your clothing

account. Tithe to—

TRACY: [Chuckles]

ABRAHAM: —tithe to your vacation account. In other words, we’re not requesting tithing. We’re just

explaining why tithing is benecial for those who feel abundance when they do it.

TRACY: Right. So if you tithe to get the feeling, it doesn’t work. It’s tithing gives you the feeling.

ABRAHAM: If you tithe out of obligation or responsibility or you resent it when you do it, then it serves

you not at all. But if you tithe out of appreciation of your own abundance, now . . .

TRACY: Yeah, that makes sense. So one of the questions that people asked when I asked them to ask what

it would be is that, when Esther leaves this plane here, will Abraham continue through someone else?

ABRAHAM: It’s interesting that you would ask that, and we’re going to give you a very direct answer

about it, because Esther remembers hearing that Seth had explained that he was only speaking through

Jane, and that bothered Esther because when she began receiving Abraham, she knew that she could

tap into that Seth energy. But as it unfolded, she began to understand that the Abraham that people are

identifying of Abraham is the Abraham that Esther is interpreting. In other words, we are not whispering

words to Esther that she is repeating. We are offering thought to Esther, vibration to Esther, and at an

unconscious level, she is translating it into the physical word equivalent.

TRACY: Right.

ABRAHAM: So, Abraham is a collective consciousness that is being interpreted, and that collective

consciousness was available to Jane Roberts through Seth, is available to Esther through Abraham, is





available to all. It’s the Christ-consciousness. It’s the Buddha-consciousness. It’s the consciousness of

source. This is the consciousness of teacher. It’s the consciousness of well-being. It’s the consciousness of

love. And it is at all times available to all people.And so, when Esther makes her transition, the ow of Abraham, as it is interpreted through

Esther, will stop. But there is always another and another and another and another and another and

another and another.

TRACY: So I met this woman this weekend. Her name is Scarlett Lewis. And she lives, she’s from

Newtown, Connecticut, and her son, Jesse, was killed in the shooting at the school. She’s really an amazing

woman, like just her experience with it all, but she showed me some things. Like Jesse drew this picture

of an angel and like a man with his face blacked out and like a gun on his side before this day. And before

he went to school this day, he wrote like a love note and good-bye note to his mother on a chalkboard, and

to his brother, 12-year-old brother, like that.

And they were planning to go do like a gingerbread house after school, but, you know, when the

parents took him to school, he said, “You know, I don’t think we’re going to be doing the gingerbread

house,” and the dad’s like, “Yeah, we are, we have everything, we’re going to do it.”

So, I’m just trying to gure out like if people actually know what’s going to happen before it

happens. Are people here for a certain reason? And I know the contrast and everything that you’re saying,

but I’m just curious, your thoughts on that.

ABRAHAM: So it’s a wonderful question and a wonderful experience that you live to lay a basis for it,

the best ever that we’ve heard.

Yes, from your broader, nonphysical perspective, you have keen awareness of probabilities, and

we want to extend that word probability even further into the word of certainties, because everything is a

vibrational reality rst. The closer you are to the vibrational frequency of who you are, the more you have

access to that information.

But for that information to translate into the physical equivalent, into physical words or experiences,

that’s where it gets a little awkward. Esther is certain that Jerry did not know that he had a physical

condition that was going to be the avenue through which he made his very fast transition. He always said

he wanted to be happy, healthy, happy, healthy, happy, healthy, dead, and it was pretty much like that,

healthy all of his life and then a few months of transition.

And so, Esther is certain that he did not know, and yet, there were so many things that he was doing

in preparation for that that, after it happened, she understood that on some level, that’s the way she words

it, on some level she knows he knew. Now, if she had known that he knew and had confronted him about

it, he very likely would not have said anything. If this mother had seen the note on the chalkboard and had





said, “What’s this about?” it is very unlikely that he would have explained what was going to happen. It

was a knowing from broader, nonphysical perspective.

TRACY: Right.

ABRAHAM: And understanding and clearly he was in vibrational alignment with source. And something

like that happening, your world is reeling from it and will for a while, and all kinds of things are happening

as a result of it, and will continue for a while, but the most signicant thing from it is the understanding

that there is not death.

What we know for this mother, for all of these people, is that they can come to know, if they

want to and many of them do, some more ready than others, that not only did their child have a sense of

what was happening, a sort of premonition about it, but is tuned clearly to who they are now. They have

the ability now to interact, to feel, to receive impulses, to receive clear thought. There is no separation

between physical and nonphysical, other than what physical put in that place, you see.

TRACY: She feels that she can feel him, like her son pushing her to do this foundation to help people

think, you know, differently and . . .

ABRAHAM: And instead of the word pushing, we would say knowing how much fun she will have in

doing it, knowing how good it will be for her, knowing that it’s an object of attention that will restore herto her normal alignment, knowing of the value that it will bring to others, knowing that he can play with

her along the process, along the way, knowing that there is no separation.

TRACY: Right.

ABRAHAM: This death thing is so misunderstood. It’s so misunderstood. There is no death. It’s only

life and more life. But it’s bigger than people know, and we believe that through these people that you’re

talking about and through Esther and others that there’s a new understanding that is on the horizon, and

we will give it to you here briey if you’re wanting to hear it.

TRACY: Yes, I do.

ABRAHAM: Some people feel that they’ve adapted to the idea of death. They know that there is

nonphysical. They know that there is something after this death. They believe that they will be together.

But most believe that they, too, have to die before they will be together. Very few understand that that





nonphysical energy is focused forward here. Very few understand that this is the leading edge, that this

is the environment in which source is creating, that the creation, you began your comments and question

here by saying that people are wondering, what is the purpose for life? Why are we here in this physicallife experience? Why do we come into these physical bodies?

And the reason is because this is the leading edge of creation. This is where source is expanding

into fullness. This is the most that source becomes. And all that is source energy is owing forward. And

so, when you make your transition to nonphysical, you don’t cease to be. You continue to come forward.

Jerry does not have to come into another physical body, and certainly the consciousness that is him will

come forth into other physical bodies, but he does not have to come forth into another physical body to

have a glorious day with Esther and all of the friends, even you—

TRACY: Right.

ABRAHAM: —you feel him sometimes—

TRACY: Oh, I do, yeah.

ABRAHAM: —you feel his consciousness, his awareness, his knowing, his interest, his love, his passion

for your work and for his, you see. And so, this nonphysical consciousness is owing forward and this

is where all of us are focused, you see. It’s not you come, you have trial and error, you gure it out oryou don’t, and then you reemerge into nonphysical for your judgment or for your reward or for your

punishment, nothing like that.

You come out of eagerness to be deliberate creators, to explore the contrast, to discover what you

personally prefer, to discover your own power of owing energy, to hook in to this energy that creates

worlds, to let the energy that creates worlds ow through your ngertips toward your creative endeavors, to

uplift others, to nd more contrasts, to launch more rockets, to recognize that you’re not yet in alignment,

to have the thrill of coming into alignment, and yes, to experience the manifestation of your desire.

But it is the journey to those manifestations that rings your bells, that rang your bells before you

came, that rings our bells while you are here. It’s about the journey, you see. And it is a never-ending

journey. This mother is upon a new journey. She’s upon the journey of discovering that there is no death.

She’s upon the journey of understanding that the consciousness of her child is still consciousness and that

this consciousness is not that of a child. It’s that of a very wise being that came forth into this physical

experience with very deliberate intent, and that nothing went wrong that day, that nothing went wrong

that day, that it was part of the greater understanding. It was part of the contrast, to bring people into the

understanding of a number of things, mostly that there is no death and that source ows to and through all

who nd a way to allow it, you see.




These are wonderful times. This is the time of awakening. It’s a time when more people than ever

before, not all, but more people than ever before will nd vibrational alignment with who they really are,

so that they can live in joy, not in fear. That little boy did not go to school frightened that day.

TRACY: No.

ABRAHAM: And he did not reemerge into nonphysical from a fearful place, and he does not want his

mother to be sad. He doesn’t want anybody to be sad about it. He wants everybody to understand that there

is only life and more life, you see.

TRACY: Right.

ABRAHAM: Have fun with it. That’s what, this is what this little one is saying; it’s supposed to be fun.

It’s supposed to be fun. It’s supposed to be fun. Freedom and growth and joy, put an emphasis upon joy.

You’re so free you can choose bondage, but put your emphasis upon joy, and the expansion will take care

of itself. There is great love here for you.

TRACY: Thank you.

ABRAHAM: We are complete.

[Closing music]

ANNOUNCER: Thank you for joining us during the 2015 Hay House World Summit. We hope to inspire

you to live a fuller and happier life with messages from our chosen experts. We wish you well as you

continue on your journey.

[End of session - 72:01 in length]

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