21 August 2006P Dornan - After ISS1 Discussion NuFact Talks Comments Report 1 st Draft Oct 15 50...

21 August 2006 P Dornan - After ISS 1

Discussion

NuFact Talks Comments

Report 1st Draft Oct 15 50 – 60 Pages per WG Finalise before end of the year

Future - IDS Possible Scenarios


Neutrino Facility Oversight Committee

accelerator

detector

physics

accelerator

detector

physics

accelerator

detector

physics

-Factory -Beam Superbeam


Oversight Committee

INuFC - Collaboration Board

p-driver Targetry Physics

-Fact

Accelerator

MagnetisedDetector

-Beam

Acceterator

SuperBeam

Accelerator

Non-Magnetised

Detector


Thanks

Last Plenary Meeting of the ISS Ambitious Goals Substantial Progress

And much has been accomplished

Thanks To all who have worked towards this outcome Specifically the WG Convenors

Mike Zisman Alain Blondel Yori Nagashima & Ken Long

After ISS

Where Do We Go From Here?


Next - until the end of 2006

Produce the ISS Report - with the present team & structure

A Good Report is Vital it will provide the basis of bids for R&D funding for the next

stage, assuming there is a community to support it

Devise a New Effort to carry the Work Forward But what is the best way?


The ISS Report for the Neutrino Factory It must address

Ourselves We have to be convinced it is viable and will produce

good physics The wider community

Main problem here is probably timescale The wider particle physics community

Many in he LHC – ILC communities consider -oscillation is just a blip on the SM and that ‘serious’ BSM physics will only come from the quark sector

The funding agencies Requires pressure from the PP community

The Labs -factory has to be in possible future plans


Structure for a Continuation

Must be established during the fall

What form should it take? How to do it? Who can do it?

Here are some thoughts From the ISS - PC and the original ‘Wise Men’ for discussion this week


Goal - An Advanced Neutrino Facility

- for data taking before 2020.

To choose The facility to produce the very best physics return

But maybe too expensive

The facility giving max physics/$ Weighting physics return is subjective

Need a compromise & probably more information e.g. size of 13

So cannot make such a judgment today But equally cannot keep postponing it


What would it be?

Neutrino Factory -Beam Facility High power Superbeam and very large detector

Possibly two of these - but not three

Future - how to proceed? Single Study embracing all three? Three independent studies?

-assuming all three communities believe it necessary

Three quasi-independent studies but with coordination where practicable and an overall oversight body.


Why An Independent -Fact Study?

The synergies with the others are not great

Accelerator After p-driver and target - little in common

Detector For -fact – high energy magnetised For Superbeam - low energy non-magnetised, very large For -beam, non-magntised

Physics This is in common, provides the overall motivation and is one of

the critical discriminators


Neutrino Facility Oversight Committee

accelerator

detector

physics

accelerator

detector

physics

accelerator

detector

physics

-Factory -Beam Superbeam


The Oversight Body

International cooperation for a future advanced neutrino facility has been strongly advocated by EPP2010 CERN Council Strategy Document

The four ISS ‘Wise Men’, Steve Geer, Yoshi Kuno,Vittorio Palladino, Ken Peach, have drafted a letter to go to all relevant accelerator lab directors asking them to facilitate coordinated R&D in the neutrino area and establish an

‘International Neutrino Facility Oversight Committee’ (INFOC)

With copies to spokespeople of all major current neutrino experiments Aim to finalise the draft this week


INFOC

Representatives of the Labs And funding agencies?

The Individual Neutrino collaborations would report to INFOC

Would recommend support, funding, engineering for the projects

Monitor Progress

It ultimately would decide on the form of the future neutrino facility


The Neutrino Factory Collaboration

For the Neutrino Factory area there would be an International Neutrino Factory Collaboration (INuFC)

Would focus purely on the -fact approach to a future -facility

It would have a structure similar to the ISS Accelerator group Detector Group Physics Group


INuFC - Aim

To produce by ~2010 an interim report outlining

A -factory solution for a -facility which could produce data before 2020 Dependent on a successful outcome of R&D underway, e.g.

MICE and other R&D following the ISS Dependent on the value of 13

Approximate costs Site Considerations

Make it possible (with resources) to produce a CDR for a n-fact by ~2012, a TDR by ~2014 and data by 2020


Ambitious Plan

But it is necessary - in order to Engage accelerator scientists, engineers, the -

physics community A device for ~2030 has little attraction at the present

time

Have an international -factory on the particle physic roadmap And encourage the major labs/regions to include it on

their roadmap And for one of them to ‘host’ the effort

Ensure adequate (substantial) resources for the CDR


INuFC - Questions

Structure Like ISS - 3 WG’s and a PC of WG leaders and an

overall coordinator? Like a PP experiment - a wide steering group?

How are people chosen?

Mandate Period of 3 years, 2007 – 2010 Indefinite

Until -fact is built or funding ceases

These - and many other questions - will need to be established at a meeting around the start of 2007 to coincide with the ISS report


INuFC - Needs - Goals

Get Resources Use ISS report for bids to labs, funding agencies, EU etc. Persuade a lab (or group of labs) to ‘host’ the study and provide

some engineering support Embark upon the R&D recommended for by the ISS report Continue the unfinished work of the ISS Convince the wider -community that this is in the best interests

of neutrino physics

Get People Need more physicists & engineers for whom this is their major

activity Many in the ISS had very limited time Need committed young people.


Discussion

These are all suggestions They need to be discussed

Starting now Continuing in the corridors - and again tomorrow

afternoon.

It is important to have a plan with substantial support from the ISS for the NuFact discussion on the last day.


Oversight Committee

INuFC - Collaboration Board

p-driver Targetry Physics

-Fact

Accelerator

MagnetisedDetector

-Beam

Acceterator

SuperBeam

Accelerator

Non-Magnetised

Detector

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