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1Sasha Milov HBD internal... July 10, 2007
New divider floating vs. New divider floating vs. groundedgrounded
Sasha Milov
July 10, 2007
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2Sasha Milov HBD internal... July 10, 2007
New dividerNew divider
Some other changes:
a) GEMS are not shown because they are made of 28 R/C and are huge.
b) No change in the results compare to the old scheme found
c) In the scheme on the left PS shorts to zero at a trip time. I used 1ms fall time and 1Meg residual resistance on the PS Rout.
d) Changing Rout to zero does not really change much, anyways.
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PULSE({VG} 0 .1 0.001 0 10 100)Rser=1e6
GEM_PS
Rser=1e6
MESH_PS
PULSE({VM} 0 0.1 0.001 0 10 100)
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.param R1 = 20e6
.param R2 = 10e6
.param R3 = 40e6
.param R4 = 2e6
.param R5 = 20e6
.param R6 = 40e6
.tran 0 3 0 .001
.param C2 = 0.335e-9
.param C4 = 0.8e-9
.param C5 = 35.e-9
.param C8 = 1.25e-9
.param C9 = 0.013e-9
.model SWO SW(Ron=1e-3 Roff=1e11 Vt=0.5)
.model SWC SW(Ron=1e11 Roff=1e-3 Vt=0.5)
.param L0 = 2e-6
.param VG = -350
.param VM = -360
.param R9 = 1Bot
Mid
Top
Mesh
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3Sasha Milov HBD internal... July 10, 2007
Float vs GroundFloat vs Ground
0.0s 0.3s 0.6s 0.9s 1.2s 1.5s 1.8s 2.1s 2.4s 2.7s 3.0s-50V-40V-30V-20V-10V0V
10V20V30V40V50V60V70V80V90V
100V
4V8V
12V16V20V24V28V32V36V40V44V48V52V
-24V
-18V
-12V
-6V
0V
6V
12V
18V
24V
30V
36V
42V
V(N001,N007) V(N005,N015) V(N006,N002)
V(N002,N001) V(N007,N005) V(N015,N012)
V(N017,N012)
topGEM-mesh
across GEMs
across transfer gaps
float ground
0.0s 0.3s 0.6s 0.9s 1.2s 1.5s 1.8s 2.1s 2.4s 2.7s 3.0s-100V
-80V
-60V
-40V
-20V
0V
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100V
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V(N094,N011) V(N012,N009) V(N010,N007)
V(N011,N012) V(N009,N010) V(N007,N008)
V(N014,N008)
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4Sasha Milov HBD internal... July 10, 2007
Float vs GroundFloat vs GroundGround scheme has advantages:
a)transients dV are smaller (even with Rout = 0 they are so)b)GEM discharges fasterc)Transfer gaps flip sign “momentarily” so to prevent any affect on lower GEM.
Here is my understanding of Floating vs. Grounded PS:In case of a trip one would like to drain energy form the divider. Regardless of the PS, the scheme must have such drainage system with matching R/C’s. We learned it a hard way. Floating PS leaves transient process fully at hands of that drainage system. Grounded PS provides one more sewer, which if all R/C match properly gives another factor in speed, thus safety.
Bob and me measured BERTAN yesterday found it floating with Rout = 150M (guess at Fluke’s limit…)
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5Sasha Milov HBD internal... July 10, 2007
0.0s 0.3s 0.6s 0.9s 1.2s 1.5s 1.8s 2.1s 2.4s 2.7s 3.0s-40V-30V-20V-10V0V
10V20V30V40V50V60V70V80V90V
100V
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24V28V32V
36V40V44V
48V52V
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-12V
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V(N001,N003) V(N002,N008) V(N007,N016)
V(N016,N014) V(N008,N007) V(N003,N002)
V(N020,N014)
New vs Old dividersNew vs Old dividers
0.0s 0.3s 0.6s 0.9s 1.2s 1.5s 1.8s 2.1s 2.4s 2.7s 3.0s-50V-40V-30V-20V-10V0V
10V20V30V40V50V60V70V80V90V
100V
4V8V
12V16V20V24V28V32V36V40V44V48V52V
-24V
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-12V
-6V
0V
6V
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18V
24V
30V
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42V
V(N001,N007) V(N005,N015) V(N006,N002)
V(N002,N001) V(N007,N005) V(N015,N012)
V(N017,N012)
topGEM-mesh
across GEMs
across transfer gaps
new (float)
old
(used)