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Geoffrey Nice, Gresham Professor of Law

1 October 2012 Barnard’s Inn Hall

Slobodan Milošević

Deranged political dictator or a politician drawn by events into temptation and to

make bad – criminal – decisions?

A man so different from the rest of us that we can disregard what he did now

his trial is over?

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Milosevic Trial Statistics

• 467 days of trial

• 408 witnesses • 296 live Prosecution witnesses• 59 written form Prosecution witnesses• 52 live Defence witnesses• 2 Trial Chamber witnesses

• 49,191 pages of trial transcript

• 5759 total Prosecution exhibits (approximately 150,000 pages)

• 2107 total Defence exhibits (approximately 25,000 pages)

• 157,500 pages total exhibit and witness disclosure

• 1,000,000 pages of exculpatory material disclosure

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Transitional Justice

• The UN has adopted the following definition of the term:

• The notion of transitional justice comprises...the full range of processes and mechanisms associated with a society’s attempts to come to terms with a legacy of large-scale past abuses, in order to ensure accountability, serve justice, and achieve reconciliation.”

• United Nations Security Council, The Rule of Law and Transitional Justice in Conflict and Post- Conflict Societies: Report of Secretary General, S/2004/616 (23 August 2004), 4.

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Slovenia declares independence

25 June 1991

Croatia declares independence

25 June 1991

Bosnia votes for independence

29 February 1992

Macedonia votes for independence

08 September 1991

1991 1990 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 1989 1988 1987 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007

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Map showing approximate ethnic distribution - 1991

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CROATIA

Indictment of 32 counts for offences alleged between August 1991 and July 1992

- 14,433 Croats, killed (soldiers and civilians) - 1,658 Croats, missing (soldiers and civilians) - 4,000 Serbs, Killed (mainly para-military troops)

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Serb Autonomous regions

within Croatia

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Borisav Jović Former President of Socialist Party of Serbia

(SPS) before the conflict and a colleague of Milošević

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President of Croatia Stipe Mesić

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Vukovar

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Vukovar

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Vukovar

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Dr Vesna Bosanac Director of the

Vukovar General Hospital

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18.11.1991.- Ovčara.

Prebrojavanje zatočenika

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Dubrovnik Wanton Destruction - October to December 1991

DubrovnikWanton Destruction - October to December 1991

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Dubrovnik

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1991 2007

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General Nojko Marinović, Defender

of Dubrovnik

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Pero Poljanić mayor of Dubrovnik

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Petar Kriste Croatian minister

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Hrvoje Šarinić Chef de Cabinet of

President Tudjman

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Milan Babić

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Milan Babic

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JSO Kula Camp Video

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JSO Kula Camp Video

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JSO Kula Camp video

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BOSNIA

Indictment of 29 counts for offences alleged

between March 1992 and December 1995

Deaths between 90,000 and 104,000

Srebrenica deaths alone 8,000

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Bosnian Serbs’ May 1992 Decision on Strategic Objectives

of the Serbian People in Bosnia and Herzegovina

1. Establish State borders separating the Serbian people from the other two ethnic communities;

2. Set up a corridor between Semberija and Krajina;

3. Establish a corridor in the Drina river valley, that is, eliminate the Drina as a border separating Serbian states.

4. Establish a border on the Una and Nerteva rivers;

5. Divide the city of Sarajevo into Serbian and Muslim parts and establish effective State authorities in both parts.

6. Ensure access to the sea for Republika Srpska.

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Intercepts

• Intercepts were taken by B-H official state

security unit (May 1991-May 1992), before

Karadzic moved to Pale

• OTP could thus use them officially

• It was Karadzic’s phone that was tapped

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Intercepts

“(…) the Serbs will not be divided into several

states. That should be premise of your thinking”.

“Please let’s move. We don’t give in to anybody

anymore. And if they want to fight, we’ll fight . . .

And they should go to hell, whoever wants to fight

us, we’ll fight and we’re stronger . . . Who wants to

join Alija to beat us, he may. He will lose”.

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Supreme Defence Council Meeting 30th August 1994

“Therefore, a sound national policy must take all this into account. We

have actually been offered to expand the territory by one-fourth,

because Yugoslavia's territory is 102,000 square kilometres, and to

increase the population by one-tenth! And to legalise it as well! And

even to have a confederation right away! Koziryev told me that quite

clearly. The leadership of Republika Srpska knows that in that way we

shall be given the right to legally defend those borders (….) In this

manner, we shall be legally entitled to defend the borders. At the same

time, there is an offer to create a military alliance with Russia, which

would ensure supply of military and other equipment and set up a safe

and solid defence system, a single strongest army in the Balkans, etc. “

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SDC Meeting 25 August 1995

if the Muslims refuse the peace solution they

will be told that they are to be left alone with

the sword of Damocles hanging over them in

the form of General Mladić.

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The crime sites investigated in all three Milosevic

Indictments

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Ethnic Majority Map of the 1991Population: Bosnia and Herzegovina

Li vno

Bihac

Konj ic

Tesli c

Glam oc

Dobo j

Gacko

Banja L uka

Pr ijedo r

Tr ebin je

Bileca

Drv ar

Nevesinj e

Sr bac

Bijelj ina

Sok olac

Zen ica

Kupr es

Foca / Sr binj e

Sip ovo

Pr njavo r

Rogati ca

Jaj ce

Tr avni k

Vares

To mislav grad

Kalin ovik

Cazin

Olov o

Klju c

Sanski M ost

Ili jas

Posusje

Rudo

Derv enta

Zav idov ici

Tu zla

Lak tasi

Kakanj

Sr ebren ica

Visegr ad

Pale ( RS)

Celinac

Ravno

M rko njic G rad

Sto lac

Koto r Var os

M ilici

Bosansko Gr ahov o

Zv orn ik

Kladan j

Bosanski Petro vac

Lo pare

Bugoj no

Foj nica

Lu kavac

Lj ubin je

M aglaj

Klju c / Ribn ik

M odr ica

Brcko

M ostar Sjever

Neum

Zi vini ce

Hadzici

Zep ce

Lj ubuski

Bosanska Kr upa

Visoko

Gru de

Jab lanica

Vitez

Sir oki Brij eg

Caplji na

Bratu nac

Han Pijesak

Gor nji V akuf

Cajnice

Citlu k

Odzak

Gor azde

Seko vici

Bosanska Gr adiska / Grad iska

Donj i Vaku f

Sr ebren ik

Tesanj

Grad acac

Kalesija

Celic

Tr nov o (FBiH)

Vlasenica

Ili dza

Velik a Kladu sa

Gracan ica

Buzim

Pr ozor / Pr ozor Ram a

Banovi ci

Sapn a

Uglj evik

Kiseljak

Bosanski No vi / Novi Grad

Novi Tr avni k

Kresevo

Orasje

M ostar Zapad

Busovaca

Bosanska Dub ica / K ozarska D ubica

Sto lac / Ber kovi ci

Breza

Sken der V akuf / Kn ezevo

M ostar Jug oistok

Foca ( FBi H)

M ostar Jug

Kostajn ica

Bosanski Br od / Sr pski Br od

Pale ( FBi H)

Rahic / Rav ne ( Brcko Distr ict)

Grad acac / Pel agicevo

Vogo sca

Gracan ica / Petro vo

Usora

Dobr etici

Bosanski Samac / Sam ac

Sanski M ost / Srp sk i San sk i M ost

Sr pski Dr var

Bosanski Petro vac / Petr ovac

Gor azde / Srpsko Gor azde

Tr nov o (R.S.)

Jaj ce / Jezero

Kalesija / Osmaci

Dobo j Isto k

Teo cak

M ostar Jug ozapad

Bosanska Kr upa / Kru pa na U ni

M ostar / Sr pski M o st ar

Dom aljevac / Sam ac

Star i Gr ad Sarajev o

Novi Grad Sar ajevo

Orasje / Sr psko O rasje

Ili dza / Srpska Ili dza

Kupr es / Sr pski Kupr es

Klju c / Und ec.

Dobo j Jug

Tesli c Istok / Un dec.

Sip ovo / Undec.

Tesli c Ju goisto k / U ndec.

M rko njic G rad Jug / Un dec.

Lj ubin je / Un dec.

Croats > 50%Croats < 50%Croats / MuslimsCroats / SerbsMuslims > 50%Muslims < 50%Muslims / SerbsSerbs > 50%Serbs < 50%No Data

Dayton L ineSource:The 1991 Population Census for Bosnia and Herzegovina. (Tabeau (ed.), 2009)

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Ethnic Majority Map of the 1991 Population: MILOSEVIC Indictment Area

Li vno

Bihac

Konj ic

Tesli c

Glam oc

Dobo j

Gacko

Banja L uka

Pr ijedo r

Tr ebin je

Bileca

Drv ar

Nevesinj e

Sr bac

Bijelj ina

Sok olac

Zen ica

Kupr es

Foca / Sr binj e

Sip ovo

Pr njavo r

Rogati ca

Jaj ce

Tr avni k

Vares

To mislav grad

Kalin ovik

Cazin

Olov o

Klju c

Sanski M ost

Ili jas

Posusje

Rudo

Derv enta

Zav idov ici

Tu zla

Lak tasi

Kakanj

Sr ebren ica

Visegr ad

Pale ( RS)

Celinac

Ravno

M rko njic G rad

Sto lac

Koto r Var os

M ilici

Bosansko Gr ahov o

Zv orn ik

Kladan j

Bosanski Petro vac

Lo pare

Bugoj no

Foj nica

Lu kavac

Lj ubin je

M aglaj

Klju c / Ribn ik

M odr ica

Brcko

M ostar Sjever

Neum

Zi vini ce

Hadzici

Zep ce

Lj ubuski

Bosanska Kr upa

Visoko

Gru de

Jab lanica

Vitez

Sir oki Brij eg

Caplji na

Bratu nac

Han Pijesak

Gor nji V akuf

Cajnice

Citlu k

Odzak

Gor azde

Seko vici

Bosanska Gr adiska / Grad iska

Donj i Vaku f

Sr ebren ik

Tesanj

Grad acac

Kalesija

Celic

Tr nov o (FBiH)

Vlasenica

Ili dza

Velik a Kladu sa

Gracan ica

Buzim

Pr ozor / Pr ozor Ram a

Banovi ci

Sapn a

Uglj evik

Kiseljak

Bosanski No vi / Novi Grad

Novi Tr avni k

Kresevo

Orasje

M ostar Zapad

Busovaca

Bosanska Dub ica / K ozarska D ubica

Sto lac / Ber kovi ci

Breza

Sken der V akuf / Kn ezevo

M ostar Jug oistok

Foca ( FBi H)

M ostar Jug

Kostajn ica

Bosanski Br od / Sr pski Br od

Pale ( FBi H)

Rahic / Rav ne ( Brcko Distr ict)

Grad acac / Pel agicevo

Vogo sca

Gracan ica / Petro vo

Usora

Dobr etici

Bosanski Samac / Sam ac

Sanski M ost / Srp sk i San sk i M ost

Sr pski Dr var

Bosanski Petro vac / Petr ovac

Gor azde / Srpsko Gor azde

Tr nov o (R.S.)

Jaj ce / Jezero

Kalesija / Osmaci

Dobo j Isto k

Teo cak

M ostar Jug ozapad

Bosanska Kr upa / Kru pa na U ni

M ostar / Sr pski M o st ar

Dom aljevac / Sam ac

Star i Gr ad Sarajev o

Novi Grad Sar ajevo

Orasje / Sr psko O rasje

Ili dza / Srpska Ili dza

Kupr es / Sr pski Kupr es

Klju c / Und ec.

Dobo j Jug

Tesli c Istok / Un dec.

Sip ovo / Undec.

Tesli c Ju goisto k / U ndec.

M rko njic G rad Jug / Un dec.

Lj ubin je / Un dec.

Croats > 50%Croats < 50%Croats / MuslimsCroats / SerbsMuslims > 50%Muslims < 50%Muslims / SerbsSerbs > 50%Serbs < 50%No Data

Dayton L ine

Source: The 1991 Census for Bosnia and Herzegovina. (Extracted from the Map for Bosnia and

Herzegovina

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Ethnic Majority Map of the Actual Population: 1997, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Li vno

Bihac

Konj ic

Tesli c

Glam oc

Dobo j

Gacko

Banja L uka

Pr ijedo r

Tr ebin je

Bileca

Drv ar

Nevesinj e

Sr bac

Bijelj ina

Sok olac

Zen ica

Kupr es

Foca / Sr binj e

Sip ovo

Pr njavo r

Rogati ca

Jaj ce

Tr avni k

Vares

To mislav grad

Kalin ovik

Cazin

Olov o

Klju c

Sanski M ost

Ili jas

Posusje

Rudo

Derv enta

Zav idov ici

Tu zla

Lak tasi

Kakanj

Sr ebren ica

Visegr ad

Pale ( RS)

Celinac

Ravno

M rko njic G rad

Sto lac

Koto r Var os

M ilici

Bosansko Gr ahov o

Zv orn ik

Kladan j

Bosanski Petro vac

Lo pare

Bugoj no

Foj nica

Lu kavac

Lj ubin je

M aglaj

Klju c / Ribn ik

M odr ica

Brcko

M ostar Sjever

Neum

Zi vini ce

Hadzici

Zep ce

Lj ubuski

Bosanska Kr upa

Visoko

Gru de

Jab lanica

Vitez

Sir oki Brij eg

Caplji na

Bratu nac

Han Pijesak

Gor nji V akuf

Cajnice

Citlu k

Odzak

Gor azde

Seko vici

Bosanska Gr adiska / Grad iska

Donj i Vaku f

Sr ebren ik

Tesanj

Grad acac

Kalesija

Celic

Tr nov o (F BiH)

Vlasenica

Ili dza

Velik a Kladu sa

Gracan ica

Buzim

Pr ozor / Pr ozor Ram a

Banovi ci

Sapn a

Uglj evik

Kiseljak

Bosanski No vi / Novi Grad

Novi Tr avni k

Kresevo

Orasje

M ostar Z apad

Busovaca

Bosanska Dub ica / K ozarska D ubica

Sto lac / Ber kovi ci

Breza

Sken der V akuf / Kn ezevo

M ostar Jug oistok

Foca ( FBi H)

M ostar Jug

Kostajn ica

Bosanski Br od / Sr pski Br od

Pale ( FBi H)

Rahic / Rav ne ( Brcko Distr ict)

Grad acac / Pel agicevo

Vogo sca

Gracan ica / Petro vo

Usora

Dobr etici

Bosanski Samac / Sam ac

Sanski M ost / Srp sk i San sk i M ost

Sr pski Dr var

Bosanski Petro vac / Petr ovac

Gor azde / Srpsko Gor azde

Tr nov o (R.S.)

Jaj ce / Jezero

Kalesija / Osmaci

Dobo j Isto k

Teo cak

M ostar Jug ozapad

Bosanska Kr upa / Kru pa na U ni

M ostar / Sr pski M o st ar

Dom aljevac / Sam ac

Star i Gr ad Sarajev o

Novi Grad Sar ajevo

Orasje / Sr psko O rasje

Ili dza / Srpska Ili dza

Kupr es / Sr pski Kupr es

Klju c / Und ec.

Dobo j Jug

Tesli c Istok / Un dec.

Sip ovo / Undec.

Tesli c Ju goisto k / U ndec.

M rko njic G rad Jug / Un dec.

Lj ubin je / Un dec.

Croats > 50%Croats < 50%Croats / MuslimsCroats / SerbsMuslims > 50%Muslims < 50%Muslims / SerbsSerbs > 50%Serbs < 50%No Data

Dayton L ineSource:The 1991 Population Census for Bosnia and Herzegovina and the OSCE Voters Register 1997/98. (Tabeau (ed.), 2009).

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Srebrenica

Map showing approximate location of front lines in Bosnia in June 1995

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Official Dayton Signing Ceremony in Paris - 14 December 1995

DAYTON AGREEMENT

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KOSOVO

Indictment of 5 counts for offences alleged

between January 1999 and June 1999

Deaths probably in range 8,000 to 12,000

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Lord Ashdown Mr MILOSEVIC: Do you know anything

about the NATO aggression that was

carried out against Yugoslavia on the

24th of March, 1999?

Paddy ASHDOWN: Mr. Milosevic... I

think it's worth pointing out that the

estimates are that in this period, long

before the NATO aggression, more than

300.000 Albanians had been driven from

their homes by the action of your

troops. So these were entirely the

responsibility of you, of your troops...

They are nothing to do with the NATO

aggression... And I warned you that if

you took those steps and went on doing

this, you would end up in this Court,

and here you are.

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Lord Ashdown

‘There were some houses below us, which I would estimate

at about two kilometres range, perhaps slightly less, that

were being individually targeted by a tank. ………there

were collections of armoured personnel carriers and tanks

gathered, waiting to conduct further attacks…two

tanks going away from me, towards Djakovica …..on the

roadside and were systematically, and in turn, firing at

one house in the village after another, from the

roadside….it was perfectly possible to hear small-arms fire

as well as tank fire. …..although I cannot, of course, say to

the Court that there was no return fire from any of these

houses, I can say that I never heard or observed any return

fire from these houses.’

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Lord Ashdown

Mr MILOSEVIC: Do you know anything about the NATO

aggression that was carried out against Yugoslavia on the 24th of

March, 1999?

Paddy ASHDOWN: Mr. Milosevic... I think it's worth pointing out

that the estimates are that in this period, long before the NATO

aggression, more than 300.000 Albanians had been driven from

their homes by the action of your troops. So these were entirely

the responsibility of you, of your troops... They are nothing to do

with the NATO aggression... And I warned you that if you took

those steps and went on doing this, you would end up in this

Court, and here you are

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Dubrava Prison Massacre

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Geoffrey NICE: If we now

look, please, at your

diary... Does the first

entry read...

"No corpse, no crime"?

Obrad STEVANOVIC: Yes,

that's exactly what it says.

Geoffrey NICE: It's your

handwriting. Read, please,

the next line for us.

Excerpt from Milosevic Trial Transcript – 02 June 2005

Defence Witness Obrad Stevanovic

General Obrad Stevanović

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Excerpt from Milosevic Trial Transcript – 02 June 2005

Milosevic Defence Exhibit D299 Tab 440

“President”

...

“No corpse – No crime”

...

“Back-breaking work on... On that issue.”

...

“They will use evidence on crimes to justify

aggression.”

...

“Clearing up.”

...

“Simultaneous clearing up of territories.”

...

“When the mission arrives...”

...

“Clearing up the terrain the most

important.”

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IVAN STAMBOLIC