08/12/2008 Governance reform conditions - international experience 1 Sub-national governance reform...

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Sub-national Sub-national governance reformgovernance reform

International experience regarding International experience regarding critical framework conditions for critical framework conditions for sub-national governance reformsub-national governance reform


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IntroductionIntroduction

The presenterThe presenter The audienceThe audience The goal and objectivesThe goal and objectives The methodologyThe methodology The presentationThe presentation


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The presenterThe presenter

Brendan O’DriscollBrendan O’Driscoll• Policy Adviser, UNDP / MOIPolicy Adviser, UNDP / MOI• National Committee for Democratic National Committee for Democratic

Development Development Presenting in a personal capacityPresenting in a personal capacity ExperienceExperience

• 10 years in sub-national government10 years in sub-national government• 5 years in Institute of Public 5 years in Institute of Public AdministrationAdministration• 15 years in local government reform15 years in local government reform


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The audienceThe audience

Royal School studentsRoyal School students

Civil servantsCivil servants

OthersOthers


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The goalThe goal

The goal is “to contribute to The goal is “to contribute to more effective implementation of more effective implementation of sub-national governance reform sub-national governance reform by equipping civil servants with a by equipping civil servants with a theoretical and practical theoretical and practical understanding of the reforms”understanding of the reforms”


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The objectivesThe objectives

The objectives are:The objectives are:• participants acquire a theoretical and participants acquire a theoretical and

practical understanding of sub-national practical understanding of sub-national governance reform in Cambodia, governance reform in Cambodia, including their roles in the reform including their roles in the reform process; and process; and

• dialogue is promoted among dialogue is promoted among government institutions by developing a government institutions by developing a common understanding and terminology common understanding and terminology regarding the reform. regarding the reform.


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The methodologyThe methodology

Approach is based on experience Approach is based on experience rather than solely on the literaturerather than solely on the literature

The lecture methodology is that I The lecture methodology is that I speak and you listen (not good)speak and you listen (not good)

Use of slides may help Use of slides may help Some interaction, Q&A will helpSome interaction, Q&A will help Sources can be provided Sources can be provided


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The presentationThe presentation

What is sub-national governance?What is sub-national governance? Why do countries decentralise?Why do countries decentralise? What is decentralisation?What is decentralisation? Critical framework conditionsCritical framework conditions International experienceInternational experience

• Case study from East Africa (Tanzania)Case study from East Africa (Tanzania)• Experience in South East AsiaExperience in South East Asia• Experience in CambodiaExperience in Cambodia


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GovernanceGovernance

Concept is as old as human civilization. Concept is as old as human civilization. UN paper defined it simply as: UN paper defined it simply as:

the process of decision-making and the process of decision-making and the process by which decisions are the process by which decisions are implemented (or not implemented)implemented (or not implemented). .

Several contexts such as: international, Several contexts such as: international, corporate, national, and local governance.corporate, national, and local governance.

Good governance and bad governanceGood governance and bad governance


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Analysis of governance Analysis of governance

Decision-making and implementationDecision-making and implementation• Formal and informal actors e.g. Formal and informal actors e.g.

government, big business, who else ???government, big business, who else ???• Formal and informal structures, e.g. Formal and informal structures, e.g.

Cabinet, Mafia, other structures ???Cabinet, Mafia, other structures ???• Informal decision-making can lead to Informal decision-making can lead to

bad governancebad governance• Formal decision-making can also lead to Formal decision-making can also lead to

bad governancebad governance


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8 major characteristics of 8 major characteristics of Good GovernanceGood Governance


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Achieving good governanceAchieving good governance

Good governance is an ideal.Good governance is an ideal. Difficult to achieve in its totality. Difficult to achieve in its totality. Very few countries and societies Very few countries and societies

have come close – examples???have come close – examples??? Bad governance examples???Bad governance examples??? But, for sustainable human But, for sustainable human

development, actions must be taken development, actions must be taken to work towards making it a reality.to work towards making it a reality.


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Levels of governanceLevels of governance

National and sub-national roles, National and sub-national roles, responsibilities, functions, resourcesresponsibilities, functions, resources• National examples???National examples???• Sub-national examples???Sub-national examples???

Sub-national levelsSub-national levels• regions, provinces, capital citiesregions, provinces, capital cities• districts, urban areas / municipalitiesdistricts, urban areas / municipalities• communes, wards, villages communes, wards, villages • sub-village levelssub-village levels


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Use of termsUse of terms

Describing the governance system:Describing the governance system:• Sub-national governmentSub-national government• Local governmentLocal government

Describing the local governance Describing the local governance bodies:bodies:• Local authoritiesLocal authorities• Local Councils or CouncilsLocal Councils or Councils


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Governance reformsGovernance reformsPrivate/Public Sector convergencePrivate/Public Sector convergence

The private sector is moving away from The private sector is moving away from formal bureaucratic structures towards formal bureaucratic structures towards decentralisation: to devolution of real decentralisation: to devolution of real authority to lower levels as profit centres; authority to lower levels as profit centres; to greater flexibility in structure and to greater flexibility in structure and staffing and to an increased emphasis on staffing and to an increased emphasis on performance and speedy response, performance and speedy response, instead of rigid hierarchical structures. instead of rigid hierarchical structures. However, to change the existing public However, to change the existing public system into one that is speedy, risk-taking, system into one that is speedy, risk-taking, output-oriented, innovative and efficient output-oriented, innovative and efficient requires a total change in organisational requires a total change in organisational culture.culture.


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Governance reforms - nationalGovernance reforms - national

Structural reforms, e.g. new issuesStructural reforms, e.g. new issues• e.g. climate change – other examples??e.g. climate change – other examples??

Management / Civil Service reformsManagement / Civil Service reforms• New Public Management (results based)New Public Management (results based)• Financial management, procurementFinancial management, procurement• Human resource managementHuman resource management

Sector reforms, e.g. police, judiciary, Sector reforms, e.g. police, judiciary, health, education, land etc …health, education, land etc …

Issue reforms, e.g. HIV&AIDSIssue reforms, e.g. HIV&AIDS


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Governance reforms – sub-nationalGovernance reforms – sub-national

““....countries everywhere – large and small, countries everywhere – large and small, rich and poor – are devolving political, rich and poor – are devolving political, fiscal and administrative powers to sub-fiscal and administrative powers to sub-national tiers of government” (World national tiers of government” (World Bank 1999).Bank 1999).

““In recent years, developing countries In recent years, developing countries have decentralised functions and have decentralised functions and responsibilities to lower levels of responsibilities to lower levels of government at an increasing pace government at an increasing pace (World Bank 2008)(World Bank 2008)

Governance reform at sub-national level is Governance reform at sub-national level is usually in the context of decentralisationusually in the context of decentralisation


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What does decentralisation do?What does decentralisation do?

Decentralisation shifts responsibility and Decentralisation shifts responsibility and accountability for the delivery of public accountability for the delivery of public services to sub-national levels of services to sub-national levels of government, aiming to help improve government, aiming to help improve service delivery and local governance.service delivery and local governance.

Decentralisation changes the way Decentralisation changes the way government carries out its business, and government carries out its business, and usually involves radical reform of usually involves radical reform of government. government.


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Why do countries decentralise? 1. Why do countries decentralise? 1.

Many countries decentralise for Many countries decentralise for political (rather than economic) political (rather than economic) reasons, such as:reasons, such as:• to dampen ethnic or regional to dampen ethnic or regional

discontent or conflict, e.g. South discontent or conflict, e.g. South Africa, Indonesia, Sri Lanka.Africa, Indonesia, Sri Lanka.

However, broad agreement on However, broad agreement on economic benefits - service deliveryeconomic benefits - service delivery


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Why do countries decentralise? 2.Why do countries decentralise? 2.

Improved democratic Improved democratic governance, leading togovernance, leading to

Improved allocative efficiency, Improved allocative efficiency, leading toleading to

Improved service delivery, Improved service delivery, especially to the poor, leading toespecially to the poor, leading to

Reduction of povertyReduction of poverty


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Decentralisation typesDecentralisation types

DeconcentrationDeconcentration DelegationDelegation DevolutionDevolution Economic Decentralisation Economic Decentralisation

and Self-Governance (or and Self-Governance (or ‘Privatisation’‘Privatisation’))


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DeconcentrationDeconcentration

Involves the transfer of selected Involves the transfer of selected functions within the central functions within the central government hierarchy through the government hierarchy through the shifting of workload from central shifting of workload from central ministries to field offices, the ministries to field offices, the creation of field agencies, or the creation of field agencies, or the shifting of responsibility to local shifting of responsibility to local administrative units that are part of administrative units that are part of central government’central government’


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DelegationDelegation

Involves the transfer of responsibility Involves the transfer of responsibility for maintaining or implementing for maintaining or implementing sector functions to regional, local or sector functions to regional, local or functional development authorities, functional development authorities, para-statals and other semi-para-statals and other semi-autonomous government agencies, autonomous government agencies, that operate independently of central that operate independently of central government controlgovernment control


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DevolutionDevolution

Involves the transfer of functions and Involves the transfer of functions and discretionary authority to legally discretionary authority to legally constituted local governments … constituted local governments … bound by broad national policy bound by broad national policy guidelines … and the related human, guidelines … and the related human, financial and material resources and financial and material resources and capacity.capacity.


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PrivatisationPrivatisation

Involves the shifting of Involves the shifting of responsibilities for economic responsibilities for economic production and activities from the production and activities from the public sector to private or quasi-public sector to private or quasi-private institutionsprivate institutions• Not addressed in this lectureNot addressed in this lecture


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International experienceInternational experience

International experience varies widelyInternational experience varies widely No ideal ‘model’ for decentralisation or for No ideal ‘model’ for decentralisation or for

sub-national reformssub-national reforms Some common experiences from which we Some common experiences from which we

can draw conclusions and learn lessonscan draw conclusions and learn lessons Some international critical framework Some international critical framework

conditions for decentralisation by conditions for decentralisation by devolution can be identified devolution can be identified


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Framework conditionsFramework conditions

1 1 Political decentralisationPolitical decentralisation Involves a devolution of powers and the setting Involves a devolution of powers and the setting

of the rules for councils and committees, etc. of the rules for councils and committees, etc. Includes the integration of the previously Includes the integration of the previously

centralized or deconcentrated service sectors centralized or deconcentrated service sectors into a holistic local government systeminto a holistic local government system

Installs councils as the most important local, Installs councils as the most important local, political body within its jurisdictionpolitical body within its jurisdiction

Implies the creation of real, multi-functions Implies the creation of real, multi-functions governments at the local level within the governments at the local level within the framework of the national legislationframework of the national legislation

Allows civil society to hold councils accountable.Allows civil society to hold councils accountable.


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2.2. Financial decentralisationFinancial decentralisation Involves the decentralisation of expenditure and Involves the decentralisation of expenditure and

revenue-raising authority to sub-national revenue-raising authority to sub-national government in line with allocated functionsgovernment in line with allocated functions

Involves the obligation of central government to Involves the obligation of central government to supply local governments with adequate supply local governments with adequate unconditional grants and other forms of grantsunconditional grants and other forms of grants

allows local councils to pass their own budgets allows local councils to pass their own budgets reflecting their own priorities as well as reflecting their own priorities as well as mandatory expenditure required for the mandatory expenditure required for the attainment of national standards.attainment of national standards.


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3.3. Administrative decentralisationAdministrative decentralisation Re-distributes authority and Re-distributes authority and

responsibility from central to localresponsibility from central to local Involves de-linking local authority staff Involves de-linking local authority staff

from their respective ministriesfrom their respective ministries Involves local governments hiring and Involves local governments hiring and

managing their own personnel, organised managing their own personnel, organised in a way decided by the respective in a way decided by the respective councils in order to improve service councils in order to improve service deliverydelivery

Makes local government staff Makes local government staff accountable to local councils.accountable to local councils.


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4.4. Changed central-local relationsChanged central-local relations Involves a new system of inter-governmental Involves a new system of inter-governmental

relations with central government having the relations with central government having the over-riding powers, usually within the over-riding powers, usually within the framework of the Constitution / national lawsframework of the Constitution / national laws

Central ministries have changed roles and Central ministries have changed roles and functions, oftenfunctions, often

• policy makingpolicy making• support and capacity buildingsupport and capacity building• monitoring and quality assurancemonitoring and quality assurance• regulation (legal control and audit). regulation (legal control and audit).

Local Councils take on service delivery role Local Councils take on service delivery role


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5.5. Legislative frameworkLegislative framework Constitutional mandateConstitutional mandate Legislative mandate to empower Legislative mandate to empower

local councilslocal councils Coordinated national legislation Coordinated national legislation

(e.g. sector and local government (e.g. sector and local government legislation)legislation)


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End of Part OneEnd of Part One

Questions / DiscussionsQuestions / Discussions

Break for teaBreak for tea


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Case Study TanzaniaCase Study Tanzania

Why Tanzania?Why Tanzania?• Situation in 1998 similar to current Situation in 1998 similar to current

situation in Cambodiasituation in Cambodia• Colonial history and centralised systems Colonial history and centralised systems • Poverty profilePoverty profile• 3 levels of sub-national government3 levels of sub-national government• Major decentralisation-based reform Major decentralisation-based reform

programme for 10 yearsprogramme for 10 years• Personal experiencePersonal experience


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Sub-national Reform ProgrammeSub-national Reform Programme

Local government problemsLocal government problems•Abolished and re-instatedAbolished and re-instated

Civil Service ReformCivil Service Reform Policy Paper 1998Policy Paper 1998 LGRP began 1999LGRP began 1999

•Designed to implement the Designed to implement the policy for governmentpolicy for government


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The Change EnvironmentThe Change Environment

Political, social and economic Political, social and economic changechange

Tradition of central planning and Tradition of central planning and controlcontrol

Low resource and capacity Low resource and capacity baseline at LGA levelbaseline at LGA level

Changing, complex policy Changing, complex policy frameworkframework


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Decentralisation Decentralisation by Devolution Policy (1)by Devolution Policy (1)

Political decentralisationPolitical decentralisation Financial decentralisationFinancial decentralisation Administrative Administrative

decentralisationdecentralisation Changed central – local relationsChanged central – local relations Principle of subsidiarityPrinciple of subsidiarity Fair revenue assignmentsFair revenue assignments


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DecentralisationDecentralisationby Devolution Policy (2)by Devolution Policy (2)

Government’s VisionGovernment’s Vision Services the Services the raison d’etreraison d’etre Strong, autonomous LGAsStrong, autonomous LGAs Central government’s new roleCentral government’s new role LAs properly resourced - HR and financeLAs properly resourced - HR and finance Democratic LGAs / ParticipationDemocratic LGAs / Participation Functions relate to local demandsFunctions relate to local demands Transparency, accountability, ethicsTransparency, accountability, ethics


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Implementation experienceImplementation experience

Plans & Budgets – 3 yearPlans & Budgets – 3 year Common Basket Fund established Common Basket Fund established Both ‘systemic’ and ‘operational’ Both ‘systemic’ and ‘operational’

achievements, but many obstacles achievements, but many obstacles encounteredencountered

Progress slower than anticipatedProgress slower than anticipated Reviews informed ongoing plansReviews informed ongoing plans Results achievedResults achieved


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Reform Goal and PurposeReform Goal and Purpose

GOALGOAL Proportion of Tanzanians living in poverty Proportion of Tanzanians living in poverty

reduced. reduced.

PURPOSEPURPOSE Political, administrative, and fiscal Political, administrative, and fiscal

responsibilities devolved from central to responsibilities devolved from central to local government, underpinned by good local government, underpinned by good governance, so enabling LGAs to provide governance, so enabling LGAs to provide more appropriate, equitable, quality more appropriate, equitable, quality services to Tanzanians, especially the services to Tanzanians, especially the poor.poor.


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Systemic Outcome 1Systemic Outcome 1

Decentralisation by devolution policy Decentralisation by devolution policy articulated, understood and articulated, understood and embedded across governmentembedded across government • High level championsHigh level champions• InformationInformation• AdvocacyAdvocacy• Assignment of responsibilitiesAssignment of responsibilities• AssessmentsAssessments• Monitoring and evaluationMonitoring and evaluation


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Fiscal empowerment of local Fiscal empowerment of local governmentgovernment • Central – Local financial frameworkCentral – Local financial framework• Recurrent transfersRecurrent transfers• Capital development transfersCapital development transfers• Own-source revenuesOwn-source revenues• Institutional coordination frameworkInstitutional coordination framework• Administrative framework and systemsAdministrative framework and systems


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Human resource empowerment Human resource empowerment of local governmentof local government• Devolution of powers & responsibilitiesDevolution of powers & responsibilities• Pay and incentivesPay and incentives• Training policy, strategy and Training policy, strategy and

programmesprogrammes• Decentralised HRM proceduresDecentralised HRM procedures• HIV / AIDS in the Workplace CampaignHIV / AIDS in the Workplace Campaign


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Legal framework for decentralisation Legal framework for decentralisation by devolution in placeby devolution in place• Constitutional amendment Constitutional amendment • Unified and over-arching local Unified and over-arching local

government legislation government legislation • Central and sector legislation reviewed Central and sector legislation reviewed

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Operational Outcome1Operational Outcome1

Councils restructured to more Councils restructured to more effectively and efficiently respond to effectively and efficiently respond to identified local priorities of service identified local priorities of service delivery in a sustainable manner.delivery in a sustainable manner.

OD process completed in all CouncilsOD process completed in all Councils Councils re-structuredCouncils re-structured Councils supported in improving Councils supported in improving

critical areas of service deliverycritical areas of service delivery


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Operational Outcome 2Operational Outcome 2

Principles of good governance Principles of good governance adhered to at all levels of local adhered to at all levels of local governmentgovernment • TransparencyTransparency• AccountabilityAccountability• Local Democracy / ParticipationLocal Democracy / Participation• Rule of LawRule of Law• EthicsEthics• GenderGender


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The costs of reformThe costs of reform

Expenditure 1999 – 2008: US$ Expenditure 1999 – 2008: US$ 100 million 100 million

Expensive to build capacityExpensive to build capacity• Human resource developmentHuman resource development• Organisation developmentOrganisation development• EquipmentEquipment• IT systemsIT systems

Additional expenditure capital works: Additional expenditure capital works: US$150 million (2005 – 2008) US$150 million (2005 – 2008)


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Some positive resultsSome positive results

Councils gained some autonomyCouncils gained some autonomy Governance has improved, e.g.Governance has improved, e.g.

• AccountabilityAccountability• Financial management / audit resultsFinancial management / audit results

Local capacity has been builtLocal capacity has been built Councils do have more financesCouncils do have more finances Transfers are more equitableTransfers are more equitable


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Remaining challengesRemaining challenges

Human resource decentralisationHuman resource decentralisation Fiscal decentralisation incompleteFiscal decentralisation incomplete Legal harmonisation incompleteLegal harmonisation incomplete Corruption remains an issueCorruption remains an issue

Another 5-year programme began on Another 5-year programme began on 11stst July 2008 July 2008


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Lessons learnedLessons learned

‘‘Big Bang’ approach did not workBig Bang’ approach did not work Phasing, pilots and ‘learning by doing’ can Phasing, pilots and ‘learning by doing’ can

work wellwork well Reform of sub-national government is a Reform of sub-national government is a

long-term change programme, and is a long-term change programme, and is a huge, expensive undertaking. huge, expensive undertaking.

Commitment of central and line ministries Commitment of central and line ministries is essential for successis essential for success

Reforms need ring-fenced fundsReforms need ring-fenced funds


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South East AsiaSouth East Asia


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Experience in South-East AsiaExperience in South-East Asia

World Bank Study 2005 shows thatWorld Bank Study 2005 shows that

Decentralisation is a major issue in Decentralisation is a major issue in • CambodiaCambodia• ChinaChina• IndonesiaIndonesia• The PhilippinesThe Philippines• ThailandThailand• VietnamVietnam


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Decentralisation PoliciesDecentralisation Policies

Big Bang approach (decentralise Big Bang approach (decentralise now, policy and legislation later)now, policy and legislation later)• The Philippines, IndonesiaThe Philippines, Indonesia

Incremental approach (ad hoc Incremental approach (ad hoc decisions as policies emerge)decisions as policies emerge)• China, VietnamChina, Vietnam

Cautious approach (policy stated, Cautious approach (policy stated, implementation slow)implementation slow)• Cambodia, ThailandCambodia, Thailand


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Policy OrientationPolicy Orientation

Cambodia – deconcentration and Cambodia – deconcentration and devolutiondevolution

China – deconcentration and de-facto China – deconcentration and de-facto devolutiondevolution

Indonesia – devolutionIndonesia – devolution Philippines - devolution Philippines - devolution Thailand – deconcentration, moving Thailand – deconcentration, moving

towards devolutiontowards devolution Vietnam - deconcentrationVietnam - deconcentration


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Developing importance of Developing importance of sub-national governmentssub-national governments

A fundamental transformation in the structure of government has been taking place across East Asia.

Before 1990 most East Asian countries were highly centralized; today sub-national governments have emerged as the fulcrum for much of the region’s development.

They deliver many critical services and account for a significant fraction of total public expenditures


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Sub-national Expenditures as aShare of Total Public Spending


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Functional allocationsFunctional allocations


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Importance of sub-national reformImportance of sub-national reform

Affects country performance inAffects country performance in• the economy – public investment in the economy – public investment in

infrastructure and human developmentinfrastructure and human development• service delivery – problems in health, service delivery – problems in health,

education, water; and equityeducation, water; and equity• governance – accountability, governance – accountability,

transparency still problematic, and transparency still problematic, and especially corruption having high costs especially corruption having high costs for households and enterprisefor households and enterprise


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Impact of decentralisation Impact of decentralisation in SE Asiain SE Asia

Comprehensive assessments not yet Comprehensive assessments not yet donedone

Impacts seen as largely benign to Impacts seen as largely benign to date (services have not deteriorated)date (services have not deteriorated)

Social service spending, esp. on Social service spending, esp. on education has increasededucation has increased

Favourable outcomes seen, but Favourable outcomes seen, but attribution is difficultattribution is difficult


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D&D in CambodiaD&D in Cambodia

Earlier lectures covered:Earlier lectures covered:• Strategic framework for D&DStrategic framework for D&D• D&D concepts in Cambodian contextD&D concepts in Cambodian context• Commune / Sangkat LawCommune / Sangkat Law• Organic LawOrganic Law• Powers and functions reviewPowers and functions review• HR management and D&DHR management and D&D• Civil society, governance and povertyCivil society, governance and poverty• Fiscal decentralisation in CambodiaFiscal decentralisation in Cambodia


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Strategic Framework for D&DStrategic Framework for D&D

Sets out:Sets out:• the Vision of the Royal Governmentthe Vision of the Royal Government• the underlying principlesthe underlying principles• strategies and priorities for changestrategies and priorities for change• expected outcomes of D&Dexpected outcomes of D&D• implementation arrangements – national implementation arrangements – national

programmeprogramme


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Challenges in implementing the Challenges in implementing the Organic LawOrganic Law

Election of Councillors in May 2009Election of Councillors in May 2009 Establishment of new Councils, clarifying Establishment of new Councils, clarifying

roles and responsibilitiesroles and responsibilities Assignment of functions and resources Assignment of functions and resources

(under the principle that ‘resources follow (under the principle that ‘resources follow function’)function’)

Management, finance and governance Management, finance and governance issuesissues

HR and capacity building issuesHR and capacity building issues Monitoring and evaluatingMonitoring and evaluating


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National Reform ProgrammeNational Reform Programme2010 - 20202010 - 2020

Currently being formulatedCurrently being formulated A 10-year programme of changeA 10-year programme of change Royal Government led, but involving Royal Government led, but involving

partners and stakeholderspartners and stakeholders Emphasis on ‘learning by doing’, Emphasis on ‘learning by doing’,

testing, piloting, and developing sub-testing, piloting, and developing sub-national governance systems that national governance systems that will work well in Cambodiawill work well in Cambodia


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ConclusionConclusion

Decentralisation and the associated Decentralisation and the associated sub-national governance reforms are sub-national governance reforms are a world-wide phenomenona world-wide phenomenon

Decentralisation is a huge, complex Decentralisation is a huge, complex undertaking, changing governmentundertaking, changing government

No one correct approach or model, No one correct approach or model, but we can learn from international but we can learn from international as well as local experiencesas well as local experiences


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SourcesSources

World Bank and UNDP web-sites are World Bank and UNDP web-sites are two useful on-line sourcestwo useful on-line sources

The sources for the section on SE The sources for the section on SE Asia are 2 World Bank publications:Asia are 2 World Bank publications:• East Africa DecentralisesEast Africa Decentralises• Decentralisation in Client CountriesDecentralisation in Client Countries

Other sources are available on Other sources are available on request.request.


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EndEnd

That concludes the presentationThat concludes the presentation Thank you for listeningThank you for listening Time now for Q&A and discussionTime now for Q&A and discussion

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