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MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICEInternal Affairs Division

IA # 08-0080

Interview with Sergeant Lewis, S0804April 20, 2011

LICKING: Okay, uh, the time is about, uh, 1010. And for the sake of the transcript, uh, today

is April the 20th, 2011. Uh, I’m Sergeant Brad Licking, 1123. I’m with Craig

Lewis. Craig, can you state your name and give me your serial number.

LEWIS: Craig Lewis, serial number 0804.

LICKING: Okay, great. Um, uh, before I started the recording, I went ahead and left, uh,

some paperwork in here. Uh, again this is IA, uh, 08-0080. Uh, the first one was

the Garrity Warning. I, I noticed that you, uh, signed this. Uh, you wrote that you

don’t have any questions about it and you understand the content of that memo. Is

that correct?

LEWIS: Yes.

LICKING: Okay. And the second one is, uh, the Notice of Investigation, uh, for this particular

investigation. Obviously, we just like to remind people not to talk to anybody

about this particular investigation, except for the people that are listed here. Uh, is

that your signature at the bottom?

LEWIS: Yes, it is.

LICKING: Okay. Um, did you have any questions about either of these forms?

LEWIS: No.

LICKING: Okay. Um, prior to us comin’ in and startin’ this interview, um, I had a chance to

chat with you a little bit. Um, this particular case, obviously, it’s an ’08 so it’s

Investigator: Sgt. B. Licking, S1122/Sgt. C. Morrison, S1509 Reviewer: Capt. K. Holmes #0982Typed by: A9998Date/Time: April 20, 2011/1300 hours of 6

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extremely old. Um, um, so, um, basically the, the crux of this investigation kinda

goes back to, um, uh, an investigation that was started, um, kinda near of the whenMCSO had the, um, basically, they were in charge of the whole contract with the

city of El Mirage, um, and I’m sure you remember that that time period.

LEWIS: I do.

LICKING: Okay, um, realistically the only thing that I really wanted to kinda ask you about,

um, I had a chance to interview Sergeant Sea- or Lieutenant Seagraves, uh,

yesterday. Um, obviously, back during that time, uh, time frame from basically

June of ’06 till about February of ’08 she was in charge of the SVU Unit. Uh, her

Lieutenant, um, at least about that last, um, year of that time frame was Lieutenant

Brandimarte, uh, over in GID. And at the end of the contract, um, Kim, uh, led me

to believe that she had a conversation with, uh, Lieutenant Brandimarte. Um, what

she did to kinda set the time frame for this particular conversation was, um, you

know obviously in fact all three of us have worked, uh, Phoenix International

Raceway before and she said that the weekend of November, uh, the 6th through

the 13th, um, of 2007, um, she had asked for time off, um, to work that particular

event, um, and what not. The weekend of that event, apparently, she had gotten a

call from Lieutenant Brandimarte, um, and it was supposed to have been in regards

to, um, certain cases, uh, that were associated with El Mirage and what was to be

done with those cases. Um, after the conversation she said that, uh, uh, you were

present there out at PIR and that you guys had had a conversation about that. And

again, I don’t expect you to recall everything about that conversation, um, but

anything that you can recall about that conversation, um,…

LEWIS: Sure.

LICKING: …if you could just let me know what that was. Do you happen to recall that

conversation?


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LEWIS: I, I, I do recall. Um, um, I can’t be real, real specific ‘cause it was four, five yearsago.

LICKING: Sure.

LEWIS: But, uh, you know I, I, I don’t think it was on the weekend. I think it was on a

Friday. I, I, it seems to me it was probably during work day. Um, I don’t think

they’re gonna call her over the weekend as far as somethin’ like that but, but I

can’t remember for sure. But we were out there for, uh, four or five days at that

time so, uh, you know it wasn’t just Saturday and Sunday. But I, I remember I

would go by periodically. Kim and I are friends and, and I would go by and just

kinda visit with her over where she was assigned in, in the (unintel 4:21) area

underneath the, uh, Bobby Allison stands.

And I recall on one occasion well, one day ‘cause it was multiple occasions that

she, I mean during the course of that day, um, she was telling me about the fact

that, uh, Hank had called her and told her that they wanted that she needed to get

a bunch of these cases from El Mirage cleared out. And she kinda was pretty

wound up about it. She didn’t think that, uh, it was appropriate what they were

asking her to do, which was to just get these case the older cases cleared out or

inactive, exception or whatever, whatever could be done they needed to get

cleared.

Um, she vented a couple different times to me about it that you know she, she

tried to talk to him about it. She didn’t agree with necessarily just blanketly doin’

somethin’ like that. And if I recall, at one point I pretty much told her you know if

you’re havin’ an issue like that you probably need to address that with the Captain

and find out, get some direction from him that you let him know you have

concerns with what’s being asked of you. And, uh, I might have told her to take


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some good notes as to what, what was said at that point. But I do recall telling her

specifically that she should probably talk to Captain Whitney about it and let himknow that you’re uncomfortable with what’s being asked of you to do. And, uh,

that was pretty much the gist of it. You know I, I, I do know she was pretty

wound up about it and didn’t agree with it.

LICKING: Um, and, and I don’t wanna put any words in your mouth so correct me if I’m

wrong. But did you get a feel that she wanted to continue to work those cases and

that she felt that those cases that were specifically for El Mirage were workable

cases?

LEWIS: Well, we didn’t get into whether they were workable…

LICKING: Okay.

LEWIS: …or what the status is ‘cause we didn’t talk about any specific cases. But she just

didn’t feel that it was appropriate to just step in and just start clearing based on

how old the cases were. She believed that the cases needed to be worked until they

were exhausted before they could be cleared out. And if that meant we still retain

those cases when they come back from El Mirage and work them out of GID then

that might be what needed to be done. And that’s what I told her well, you need to

discuss that with, with the Captain because you know I agree with her assessment.

You can’t just go in there and go well, it’s you know a year old case and these are

the cases that involved specific victims, specific allegations and it’s, it’s not like

you have no leads and no information. Maybe you have some where that the

victim's not identified fully but you can’t just make them inactive because they’re

old and you wanna get rid of them. And, uh, that was the impression I got that she

was being directed to do.

LICKING: Okay. Did, uh, after that conversation did, did you ever find out later from her,


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um, was there any other conversations with her after that time period as to what

the outcome of that was? Do you ever recall anything like that?

LEWIS: Well, obviously, became aware as everyone else in the Sheriff’s Office that SVU

was being investigated, uh, for the way they were handling cases. It started with

look at what was taking place with the El Mirage cases. I don’t know all the

details of that. And because it was an investigation, Kim and I never had any

additional conversations about it other than I did tell her that I recalled our

conversation at PIR and to be feel free to make sure that that comes up in your

interviews with IA and I’d be more than happy to, uh, to,...

LICKING: Alright.

LEWIS: …to come in and be a witness for her.

LICKING: Alright, okay. Um, and I’m not sure if we really kinda covered this, uh, but did,

did you get any idea that this was coming at least from your conversation with Kim

that it was coming from anybody above Hank or if it was just this direction was

comin’ specifically from Hank Brandimarte?

LEWIS: All I know is that she was told that by Hank and that was why I suggested if you

disagree with what Hank’s telling you, you feel that strongly and I agree with you

that that’s not the appropriate thing to be doing either, you need to address those

concerns with, with Captain Whitney.

LICKING: Okay, perfect. Um, and I know this is really the only real questions that I had for

you, but is there anything else in regards to this that I didn’t ask you that you think

that I should know about?

LEWIS: Not that I can think of.


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LICKING: Okay, alright, okay. Um, that’ll end the interview. Uh, time out is gonna be about,uh, 10:22. Thanks.

LEWIS: Okay.

LICKING: So.


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