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FORMER CONWAY BOMBING AND GUNNERY RANGE RESTORATION MEETING
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PLACE: . North Myrtle Beach High School Auditorium
DATE: Tuesday, August 1, 2 000
TIME: 6:30 p.m. to 8:10 p.m.
PRESENTATIONS GIVEN BY: Ron Nesbit, Jr.
Project Manager US Army Corps of Engineers Charleston District
Ola Awosika Parsons Engineering Science, Inc.
ALSO PRESENT: Suzy Cantor-McKinney Zapata Engineering, P.A. 1100 Kenilworth Avenue, Suite 104 Charlotte, North Carolina 28204
Belinda Estabrook Realty Specialist US Army Corps of Engineers Savannah District
Patricia Berry Program Manager US Army Engineering & Support Center Huntsville Division
REPORTED BY:
Sandy Satterwhite Reporting P.O. Box 742 Roebuck, South Carolina 29376 (864)574-1455
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INDEX
Welcome by Mr. Ron Nesbit, Jr. . 3
Current Site Activities by Mr. Ola Awosika . . . . 9
Community Relations by Ms. Suzy Cantor-McKinney. . 16
Questions by Members in the Audience . 22
Certificate of Reporter 86
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BY MR. NESBIT:
Good evening, everyone. My name is Ron Nesbit.
I'm project manager for the Conway Bombing and Gunnery
Range project. I'm with the Corps of Engineers out of
Charleston, the Charleston District.
Let me just mention or introduce some of the
folks that are here with me. We have Patty Berry.
She's our technical manager from our Huntsville
office. We have Belinda Estabrook. She's from our
real estate office out of Savannah. We have Ola
Awosika. He is our contractor with Parsons
Engineering; and also we have Suzy McKinney. She is
one of our contractors, and she's with Zapata
Engineering.
Okay. The purpose of our meeting tonight is to
provide the opportunity for you to have the
opportunity to ask questions about the project and
also for us to give you the status as to where we are
and what we have done, what we have found, as well as
let you know where we're going and how we're going to
get there, and to provide you the opportunity to buy
in with what's actually being done.
Now, when you have the opportunity to speak,
what I would like for you to do is to please pronounce
your name clearly, state your name, so that the S
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recorder can actually make sure that she records your
name and whatever other information along with your
question or statement, if you would. I wanted to be
certain I mentioned that early.
I want to thank you for being here tonight. I
know it's the summer. I also know it's coming around
close to when the children, time to go back to school,
so there are a lot of things that you're trying to get
done prior to and it's in the middle of the week, as
well; but because of scheduling problems and
everything else, this was the soonest that we could
actually get it done, so I really appreciate your
being here tonight.
One of the things that we have done since our
last meeting, which was back in December, I believe it
was, we came forward and we identified what the
project was about. The Conway Gunnery Range Project
is primarily one of those sites that was utilized by
the government as a targeting gunnery -- bombing and
gunnery range with target.
What type of munitions that were used at the ,
time were bombs that were filled with sand, flour and
so on. Those are the type of munitions that we
anticipate finding on the sites as we begun our
investigation.
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We went through records through all the Army and
Air Force to identify the ranges, what was used on
each of the type of range to further our investigation
as to which sites we really needed to check. It all
ended up, after we completed the investigation based
on records and so on, that range number two, four,
twenty, four and seven were the ranges that we were
now to concentrate our efforts.
Since that time, we have done what we call --
we're involving what we call now an EE/CA. That's an
Engineering Evaluation/Construction Analysis. That's
where we actually go out put a grid in the property
location, your property primarily, and do an
investigation to gather data by taking a piece of
equipment across their property so that we can
determine whether or not we have hits or anomalies on
that property.
We'11 gather all of that information, take it
back and actually do a formal report, which will be an
EE/CA report. That report will then be used as a
means of identifying, or at least making
recommendations, so that we can determine what we're
going to do at that property. In other words, whether
we're going to remove what's there, whether it
requires merely a fence and put signs up or whether it
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requires education about the use of the property at
that given time previously.
Everything we do involving that property is
dependent upon how the property is going to be
utilized. We would not, quote/unquote, clear a
property if it's a tree farm where public domain is
not in any eminent danger. It becomes a cost factor
in terms of economics as well.
The government as decided that our primary
purpose in reality is to provide as much safety the
public as possible, and that's one of the reasons why
we're doing what we are.
There are a number of sites, but the ones that
we're primarily concerned right now, as I mentioned,
are the ones that are in three, two, four, twenty and
seven. There are populated areas and there are
non-populated areas.
We have been through area three. We've been
through area two, and we've been through area twenty, i
The next two areas that we still have to go and put ff
these grids so that we can actually gather that data \
that's required, ranges four and seven. Those areas
are populated to a varying degree.
During the process of gathering that information
we will have the necessity to actually go on your
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property to do this. We anticipate the amount of
interruptions being minimal. In other words,
depending upon where the property is, clearing or
whatever, they'll put a 55/50 grid that they'll
actually take a piece of equipment across to identify
the anomalies or the hits or whatever readings that
they get.
Because of safety requirements it will require
that where they place the grid there's a safety buffer
zone that will have to be placed around the location
when they're about to do that. To do that we will
probably -- not probably, we will have to ask whether
or not there's anyone that will be at home on that
given day or any adjacent property that falls within
that distance that's required for safety purposes,
that individuals for an hour or two. That's about the
maximum amount of time that it will take them to
actually gather that information.
Now, when we went out "initially to begin placing
grids, there were some problems. Some of our folks
were not clearly identified as to who they were. They
were not dressed in such a way where they were easily
recognized as being a part of one of our teams.
That's been rectified. People will be clearly marked.
People will be --or you will be notified in advance
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when they plan to come through the area, and we will
try to work our schedules around you"so that we
actually will cause as little inconvenience to you as
possible.
Now, Ola will talk a little, more about this when
he comes up, but that's a broad spectrum of some of
the things that we have been doing-, some of the things
that we will do to finish the EE/CA phase itself.
Our goal is to finish the EE/CA, at least from
the data gathering perspective, by the end of August,
early mid-September. So, that requires us to be able
to get with the folks that are in areas four and seven
to let them know what is anticipated to happen or how
it is going to impact them during the time when we
would like to be able to get out there.
Ola will talk about that a little more in
detail, but we will have people either calling you,
sending you something in the mail or actually coming
by and knock on your door to actually address the
scheduling and the situation overall.
I wanted to be able to address the broad topic
of what's involved before Ola. comes up and gives you a
background and a little more detail of what they have
done and how we're going to schedule to get things
done, and then we'll give you an opportunity to
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actually ask questions. Thank you. Ola.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Once again, good evening, everybody. It's nice
to have you here this evening, and to those of you who
were here last time in December 1999 to give you an
idea of what we have undertaken here at ranges four
and seven, and I think I've seen a few faces here that
I remember, actually, at that last, you know, meeting
that we had here and also new faces this time around.
For those of you who are not really familiar
with what we are doing here, again, as Ron mentioned,
what we are going through here is the starting process
that is referred to as the EE/CA, the Engineering
Evaluation/Cost Analysis. It's basically geared
towards some plan the area of interest, and then
providing a recommendation to the government, the
Corps of Engineers as to the results of our
investigation at this area of interest.
What we are looking for here, again, to provide
you the background of this site, is that this area was
used basically back in the '40s as a part of the
Second World War effort; and, as a result, most of the
areas that you know were on the use at the time were
used as targets for bombing grounds for different type
of, you know, airplanes, if you will.
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Different types of ordnance were basically used
in this area, if you will. Now they were, •
quote/unquote, regarded as practice ordnance. That is
/ not to say that it couldn't have the potential of any
other type of materials included in that ordnance at
the time it was used as that. So this '----the whole
idea behind this is for us to come in here, go to each
one of the ranges of interest, do some sampling work
and come back and present the data to the "Corps of
Engineers and say that this is what we have found and
this is what we think should be done based on the data
that we have collected.
As of today, we are finished in this initial
field investigation effort, which involves basically
going out in the field, setting up individual grids
which I mentioned are about 50 by 50. Okay. We had
several ones of these grids -- several of these grids
places at many of the ranges that we worked at.
How did we come about the number of grids that
we used at the site? This was something that we
worked with the Corps of Engineers to develop. A
certain percentage of the acreage of the area was
looked at, and we felt confident that the number, in
terms of a representative number, of acreage to the
investigation in each range that we looked at.
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So, to date, between ranges four and seven we
investigated a total of about 500 grids. We got
results back on at least about 3 00 grids, which simply
indicates to us that there's some, you know, remnant
of what was used at this site back in the '40s, some
of which would also include artifacts from residents
in terms of farm equipment, toys, you know, what have
you, you know, that people have used in their homes
over the years.
You have to -- you have, to keep in mind that
this area now has been in use over 40 years since the
end of the Second World War, if you will. Also, this
site -- the site was used for test bombs, you know,
for bombing and everything.
Okay. The results that we have so far indicates
that for range -- as I use my pointer -- indicates
that for range seven, range seven is actually located
south of Highway 90. To those of you who know where
the Bombing Range Road is, Bombing Range Road leads
straight right on to an area classified as range
seven. And you can also go down from Bombing Range
Road, Dewit Circle, all the way, then actually get
into range four. Range four was much of a bigger
range because this is where most of- the bombing
activity took place. What was done mostly here was,
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you know, stripping and use of small, what we call
small, you know, arms --. you know, arms. That's what
was pretty much done here, but most of range four is
the practice bombing and things that were done, you
know, back then in the '40s.
So the whole idea here was to make sure that,
you know, we have our grids placed at locations across
each one of these ranges that will be representative
of the whole area. The results shows that for range
seven we ended up with about 40 hits. When I say 40
hits, meaning we were able to.detect 40 sources within
the area that we investigated that would potentially
be related to ordnance or any other items that are of
fairest origin. When I say fairest origin, it means
anything that has metal content in it at all.
The equipment that we used to do the sampling
work is designed to detect metals in the ground. All
the ordnance that was used back in the '40s had metals
in them, so that would be the most, you know, adequate
equipment to use to try to investigate the area.
For range four we had something close to about
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actually investigated just about half of this. The
area that you see here shaded was not investigated,
because that was under development or is under
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development by the golf course company. I believe
Barefoot, if you will, Company, that's the developer
there, and we would like to have been able to get
feedback from them as to if they found anything during
their actual work, you know, installation, work the
field or the greens that they have on the golf
courses. So far we haven't had any data back from
them, but we still hope to be able to get feedback
from them.
So as of today we have collected enough
information that we now need to go back and confirm.
The fourth phase of this investigation is go out and
do the geophysical mapping, get the data that tells
you, you do have potential sources of ordnance or any
other^metal, you know, fairest items of this site.
The next phase of work that we have to do here
has to come from individuals, that is go out there and
confirm at each one of those locations where we found
hits -- quote/unquote, hits. The geophysical mapping
is for the anomalies, and the anomalies means
something that is foreign to the area. If you will,
look at the area that's natural. This will imply that
you will have a foreign item that was not supposed to
have been there. It has been present as a result of
the fact that the area has been used for some reason
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or another.
So, our plan now is that, you know, to go back
out to these sites, to come back up here -- come up
here to work. We are looking to come back out here
within the next couple of weeks, in about three -- I
think it's about two weeks down the road is the
soonest that we will be out here to begin work.
We've got a schedule, you know, drawn up to do
the work. The schedule is such that it will provide
you, the residents, the opportunity of being able to
give us information regarding when you think we can
come on your property to investigate the anomalies
that we have.
One of the questions that may come from you will
be: "Well, why "do you- have to come to my'property?"
I see some of you have taken it upon yourself to
look at this map when you came in to see what's going
on in here. What we have attempted to do here is to
show where those anomalies, those hits are called.
So if you were to look at your property and say,
"Okay. This is my property right here." We have a
property, a parcel ID here as obtained from the
county, and you will see a name here, and you will see
whether we actually have anything found on your
property.
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In addition to that, we've also drawn a circle,
what we call a buffer. It's a 275 foot buffer around
each area where we found -- where we -- where we
detected a hit. What this circle represents is that
any property within that circle could potentially be
impacted by investigation efforts when we come back to
dig the area to confirm what is there.
Now, again, I have to stress the fact that it
does not mean that when we dig there, we're going to
find a bomb. Should we find a bomb if a bomb happens
to be such that it could explode, that is the reason
why we have the buffer, that ring that you see around
the area. We have to be concerned with the properties
that are within that area; and one of the things that
we're going to be asking ydii"is that anybody owns a
property within the ring that we're showing, we will
need to contact you today, tomorrow or anytime within
the next couple of weeks before we actually come on
site. We will make the upmost, you know -- best use
of our time and your time to make sure that we inform
you about exactly what we're going to do and decide
when we come out there to dig so that you will feel
comfortable with the tasks that we have to perform.
Just to discuss a little bit more about the
accomplishment that we made to date. As Ron
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mentioned, this is not the only area that we're
working on. We have about five of them here. Ranges
two, three, four twenty and seven. We finished work
at the ranges two, three, twenty, and we're only left
with four and seven. When I say we've finished work,
what I mean by that is that we finished a sampling
effort. A sampling effort will be completed after we
dig or confirm the anomalies that we detected at each
one of the grids that I mentioned.
At this point, again, I think the only thing
left in my presentation will be, you know, the
questions that you may have regarding "where's my
property, what have you found on my property and when
can I expect you to show up on my property to verify
what you found there."
I think -- yes, I think that will conclude my
presentation and there will be an opportunity for you
to question -- pick up your questions later on at the
end'and we should be able to discuss that. Thanks.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
As we mentioned, the notification to each
property owner that might be impacted during the
intrusive investigation during the digging is of
upmost importance. We want to give everybody as much
advanced notice of the schedule as possible, as well
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as a -- once we give you probably a week's notice,
make sure that the date we're projecting is
satisfactory and accommodates your schedule, then the
night before or the day before, the game plan is to
put a notice on your door as a reminder because you
will be required to be out of your house for two to
three hours, either in the morning or the afternoon,
depending upon how the schedule flows; and Zapata
Engineering will assist in that effort, so if you get
any phone calls or notices that says, "Zapata
Engineering," we're also part of this team.
We do have a toll free number that at any point
in time you haven't heard a schedule or we're missing
each other, there's a conflict at the last minute, you
indicated that you could be-out of the house and all
of a sudden no -- somebody is sick or that won't work,
you have an opportunity for you to call us toll free
and let us know so that we can rework the schedule to
accommodate you; and that number is on the fax sheets,
and it's 888-286-1335, so don't hesitate to call us at
any time to find out the status. We'll keep you as
informed as we can.
The other form that we would like you to
complete and to take to any of your neighbors or
anybody else that you know of in these areas within a
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buffer zone or where there is an anomaly that's been
identified that would need to be excavated, is this
form that's sitting out front, and what this does is,
again, gives us a gauge. If everyone in the household
works everyday and you work from 8:00 in the morning
until 5:00 in the afternoon, then that helps us
realize that it's going to be minimal effort to
schedule to be on your property as opposed to a family
that has young children who stay at home or school
aged kids that get home at 2:00, so that's not
convenient for us to be there in the afternoon; or
households where there might be some elderly
individuals that the accommodations might need to work
a little bit closer with those individuals to
accommodate schedules.
So if you can complete this and take some home
with you to distribute, if you know of anyone else
that we could get those from; and what I noticed this
evening is that we really -- we don't have an address
slot next to the name. You can indicate the actual
address of the parcel. Some of these parcels are owned
by individuals who do not necessarily live there,
either they're rental properties or such. So to make
sure we have the right name and address and phone
number to contact you, that would be extremely
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helpful, and you can leave them with us or mail them
back to Zapata Engineering, and our address is on the
fact sheet and we'll tally and keep all of those.
As far as the reports and the involvement for
the public to be able to comment and be involved with
the project, as Ola and Ron mentioned, the EE/CA,
the Engineering Evaluation/Cost Analysis, when that
document becomes drafted and has gone through the
review through the Corps of Engineers, it will be made
available for public comment. We'll have another
meeting at that time. That, again, is a compilation
of all the data collection effort, the geophysical
data collection, as well as the digging, the
confirmation, data collection and the recommendation,
where do we go from here, what are the removal
alternatives or the best alternatives that would
minimize the risk to the public from these past
activities; and that document will be presented at a
public meeting, and we're probably looking at another
nine months before that becomes available, again,
after all this intrusive excavation. We'll also have
that available and any of our three information
repositories that we've established in the area, all
the project work plans are available there for review.
Any draft documents for public comment, fact sheets,
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all of those are available. We have a repository at
the Chapin Memorial Library, North Myrtle Beach
Library, and down at the library in Conway.
So, again, to keep everybody as informed as you
want to be, we try to make all those documents
available to you. If you think is something and you
can't get your hands on something, want additional
information, you can call us toll free and we'll get
you whatever information you might need.
The last question, and I'll go ahead and throw
this out for you all to consider, if we determine that
there are a significant number of individuals who will
be impacted short term -- again, a half a day is all
we're anticipating -- that don't work, that have small
children, that don't routinely have places to go
during the day, if you have recommendations on where
we might want to set up in a social hall or a
community center to have a facility available for
parts of those days to accommodate those individuals,
we've driven around the area, and we're trying to keep
our eyes opened, and any input you might have would be
extremely helpful.
And, again, not to overstate that we're not
looking for people to be gone for days at a time or
overnight. It's several hours during a given day, and
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that property and any surrounding properties would be
investigated to minimize going back and forth to those
properties. So I will throw that out to you all. If
you can give us any assistance, that would be
appreciated.
So, again, the best we can offer is the toll
free number and the open lines of communication.
Don't hesitate to call if you haven't heard from us.
Check on the schedules, and I think we're going to
review briefly the schedule Ola had mentioned no
sooner than two to three weeks before the team would
be out there, and right now the objective is every
Thursday to have the investigations going on .in this
area. So one day a week they'll be up addressing as
many parcels as they can that all adjoin each other.
So everybody within that safety zone only needs to be
out of their homes for that portion of the day.
So it will be just once a week for a period of
three to four weeks is what the team believes that
they can be -- they will be required to address all of
the areas concerned. Again, only a data collection
effort research, and we'll give you the weekly notice
and a phone call and a flier one to two days prior as
a reminder.
Thank you.
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BY MR. NESBIT:
I know we've thrown a lot of information at you
in a relatively short time, but I know some of you
have got questions now or statements you would like to
make and here's an opportunity. We'll try to answer
or we'll get the answer for you.
Yes, ma'am. Please tell her your name so she
can
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
My name is Judy Faircloth. What else?
BY MR. NESBIT:
That's all you need.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
My question is in the areas that you have
already cleared, did you find anything?
BY MR. NESBIT:
Ola.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am. I believe your question is did we
find anything in the area?
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Yes.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Are you talking about at range four or seven or
the other ones?
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BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
The other areas that you already cleared.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, the other ones that, we have already cleared
we found artifacts, you know, if you will, from the --
you know, practice use of the sites during the Second
World War, you know, back in the '40s, and that would
involve bombs of different, you know, types in terms
of sizes.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
We've lived there for probably 40 years now.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
We found those things over the years but never
had anything that was active. We played with them
when we were kids.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Well,
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
We moved part of them. Part of them I can show
you where they're at.
BY MR. NESBIT:
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Well, let me -- since you said that, let me just
mention the following: Because of the safety issues
that we've got to deal with, and I want you to be as
aware about this as anything else, if you find
something on your property that might be construed as
being a munition, okay, please don't bother It. I
know it's late now, but don't bother it, and I say
that in sincerity because even though the type of
munitions that were supposedly used on these sites
were practice rounds, that's what we found thus far,
parts of them, and so on and so forth, but we still
have to deal with the issue as though they're live
( ordnance and treat them as dangerous, as though
they're dangerous. The process that we use, if you do
find something, to have them either investigate it or
removed is?
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
To call 911. Call 911 or contact us to go
through the proper channels.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Right, but the Sheriff's Office or the local
county Sheriff's Office are aware of this project and
the process, and what they will do is they will either
send someone out from their office to check it out or
they will contact the appropriate authorities to
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actually go and check these things out.
We have --in talking with a number of you, we
know that you have found parts of shells, grenade
launchers or different types. I don't even know what
they all are at this point in time, but still treat
them as though they're live, please.
But to answer your question, we have found j
evidence of munitions being used in the area, but, jl
like I said, all the evidence that we have found thus
far have predominantly been either pieces of or
practice rounds that are dead with no -- nothing
active about them at all.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
When you find them, do you remove them at that
time or do you leave them where they are?
BY MR. NESBIT:
Give her your name, please.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
Ralph. Ralph'"Teal.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Okay. What happens is this -- and it depends,
okay. If one of our contractors finds it, okay, they
have a specific process that they go through. They
may identify where it is, place a guard on it until
they can either remove it, detonate it after it's
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deemed that it's live, or if it's moveable, they'll
remove it, but they have a specific procedure that
they go through and they'll take care of it on the
site.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
And the other ranges that you've already gone
through, have you created a map like that that shows
where all the hits are?
BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
Do you have it here?
BY MR. NESBIT:
I don't know. Do you have a copy?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
I don't have any of them here with me, but we do
have them.
BY MR. MARK TALBOT:
Where can they be viewed?
BY MR. NESBIT:
They can be made available.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
As of now, you don't have an opportunity to
review' it because the report has not been issued. We
are still in the data collection mode, if you will,
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because the EE/CA process involves five different
ranges. The EE/CA process is not completed until all
five ranges have been investigated to the end. Right
now we're left with four and seven to finish up with.
Once we finish four and seven, then we're prepared to
write the report, which will be submitted to the Corps
of Engineers for review.
BY MR. NESBIT:
And they'll include all the maps.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
But right now, say like in range three, we
couldn't we see where you found ordnance?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
The opportunity you will have for that will be
if we were to have another ̂ public meeting, such as
what we're having right now, to disseminate
information and the results of that effort.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
Do you have the maps at your office?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
That's correct.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
Where is your office?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
In Atlanta, Georgia.
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BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
Atlanta?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, sir.
And a special request, you know, to the Corps of
Engineers, that map can be made available to you if
you make a request, you know, through Huntsville or
the district manager.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Judy Faircloth. Ola.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Are you telling us there has been stuff removed
from those other areas?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Two, three and twenty.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
On the other ranges that you're talking about,
yes.
And when we say "removed," we mean removed it
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from where they were found and demolition work took
place at the site. We did not take anything away out
of any site. If we find anything within ranges four
or seven, we'll take it if it's moveable and take it
to an area where we can concentrate all the rest of
the ordnance and do demolition work right there. If
it's not moveable, it is the likelihood of it being a
live item and we've got it dangerous to be moved,
because if you move some of these items that are live,
just -- just moving them alone can cause it to go off.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Then are you responsible for removing them if
you determine that it's live and it's there?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
That's correct, ma'am. Under that story, we are
responsible for dealing with those items.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
Randy Coleman. I'm going to direct mine to
Zapata. Are you all bonded? Do you have general
liability and who is going to be responsible for the
damage done in the event there is damage done?
Number two, we have livestock that cannot be
moved. We've got a mustang from Nevada that we have
promised would not be put in danger, and now if it
would have been found in her pasture, she cannot be
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moved. She can't be trailered, and we're not going to
give you permission to come on back onto the property
until something is decided about our livestock.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
Zapata is insured and bonded. We are not the
removal contractor. My company does not put a shovel
in the dirt. Ola, I'm sure, Parsons has also bonding
insurance, and they subcontract to a contractor that
is specifically an ordnance contractor that will do
the removal efforts.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
The damage done by Zapata prior to today --us
talking today, nobody ever covered any damage, and
that's why I'm asking you that.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
Okay. Well, Zapata has not been out on site.
Let me clarify
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
Well, who was the engineering company that's
been out on my site?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Parsons Engineering scientists, my company, has
been on site with what.we would call the UXO
contractor. The UXO contractor is the contractor that
does the actual digging of the ordnance at the grid.
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BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
The people that put the grids in.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
That's my company. That's Parsons and the UXO
company.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
Okay.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, sir.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
Have you provided the claim, because under the
right of entry agreement, you notify either the
contractor or the Corps of Engineers. There's a
provision to report any damage.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
The problem is we just --we just revoked the
right of entry due to the fact of two things, like I
said, we didn't know who these people were, number
one; number two, even if they are through Zapata,
you're asking us to leave our property and our
valuables on you all's judgment call on who you're
going to send on our property. I -- I -- I'm not
comfortable with that.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Let me address that, if I might. Okay.
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The Corps of Engineers is responsible -- I say
the Corps of Engineers, the US Government is
responsible for the property that is damaged during
the course of this project that our contractor may or
may not have done. Okay. We will investigate
whatever has happened and work with you to correct the
situation.
On the issue of not being comfortable with the
contractor being let loose on your property to do what
they need to do, the contractor is bonded, and, yes,
we're responsible for what they do. During the course
of the time that they're on your property doing what
they're supposed to be doing, the contractor is also «
responsible, and we are, in turn, to make certain that,
they do what they're supposed to do.
Now, based upon earlier circumstances that
happen, there were some communication problems, and
we've taken all the precautions to ensure that does
not happen again and to ensure that you know exactly
what's going to happen what day on your property by
our contractor. That's why I wanted to be certain
that everyone understood what the process will be.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN;
Okay. I understand that.
BY MR. NESBIT:
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Okay.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
But that still doesn't cover what's going to
happen to my livestock.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Okay. In reference to the livestock, with what
they will be doing, okay, they're not removing
anything in the earlier stages. What they're trying
to do right now is purely to find --to put a grid so
they can run a piece of equipment across the property.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
We've got the grids, and they found a hit on our
property.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
They've run it already.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
They've run it already.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
They've run it.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
So we're now -- they're removing it or
something.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Well, that won't happen right away.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
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When will it happen?
BY MR. NESBIT:
That won't happen until after we put all the
information together and done the total analysis.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
Okay. Now, our concern is we have given the
right of entry for three years.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
You and I have talked about it.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
We've had -- Candis Coleman.
But our concern is, you know, we've given right
of entry. You're asking for two more years.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Right.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
Okay. Now, you have to understand us. We've
had may be a special circumstances.
BY MR. NESBIT:
I understand.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
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That you have shown that you weren't to your
word, for lack of a better term, I guess; but I'm not
comfortable giving you another two years so you can
show me or not show me you're going to be right to
your word.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN: 1
And let me add also that another two year right
of entry you're telling us you're going to give us --
you're going to give us a call and set it up with us, ;
but if we give you a right of. entry, then for the next
two years, you can show up, they can show up, anybody
can show up at anytime.
BY MR. NESBIT:
No.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
That's what the right of entry reads.
BY MS. ESTABROOK:
I give the right of entries, and we used to do
them for one year in these type of situations. You
know, we -- they expired because of funding and the
project didn't continue at one point, and we found
overall in these projects that one year doesn't do it
anymore. I mean, it's -- it prevents us from coming
back to you repeatedly trying to get access to your
property to do what we need to do.
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You know, I may get it and the project is
delayed and we lose six or seven months of it and we
can't do what the intent was under the right of entry
at least until, for me now, for every one I do it is
for two years.
In the instance with you all and for what we're
doing now, we're happy to work with you in any way
that we can to gain access to the property.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
You know that we want it -- we want it gone.
You know, we've got a big area. We want it gone. We
haven't -- you know, no matter what we're making that
clear, we don't want it there, but at the same time --
at the same time if we gave you two years and you did
what you all did to the Sams' property, I can't revoke
it, and then you all still have two years to come on
our property, destroy property and do not care. You
know, so -- so if we give you two years, then we're
stuck with you all for two years and you give us back
nothing but destroyed property. Do you understand
what we mean?
BY MS. ESTABROOK:
Now, in most instances we go and do what we need
to and we're off the property, and there's
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
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No. I mean, we have special circumstances.
BY MS. ESTABROOK:
nothing else having them there. So, I know
that you all -- we'll need to talk with you after the
• meeting and try to work something out on those
parcels. The reason, you know, we just like to have
enough time to do what we need to do and additional
years is common. They're a standard now. It's so
that we can have prevent from having to go back
repeatedly, as I said, for not having been able to
accomplish the work needed to do.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Just to add a little bit to that. The field
work that we're talking about should have been
completed within a three month window. The original
schedule that we had for this project was to speed up
this work as much as possible. However, if you'll
remember last year, we started this project last
year, the actual field work around August, September,
we had the hurricane season come through and it really
just tore us up. It really just messed up our
schedule, and we cannot do the type of work that we
had to do in wet weather condition with the area
flooded and everything. So that really messed up our
schedule, and we had to basically call it quits. You
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know, I said, wait a minute, we are not going to be
able to get good data from what we're doing here until
the ground is pretty much dry enough so that we can be
able to get a signal from the equipment that we're
using. So that's one of the delays.
The other thing, I'm sure you all are familiar
with government, that things have to happen when you
get the funding. The funding process goes through its
own cycle. So, you know, you put all that together,
and what they really are saying is that, yes, I would
have asked for three months or six months or whatever
if I knew that they can get the work done within that
time window, factoring some of the other priorities.
It could possibly extend over a longer period of time,
and that's what is happening in this situation.
And just to add to the other issue that you're
talking about, yes, Parsons Engineering is my company.
It's tasks with restoration of each site that we get
on to to do this work that we're doing. That is if we
come out to your property and investigate the area,
say we drove our four-wheel truck in there, you know,
use our equipment over the area, if it is messed up in
any form, you know, or shape, we are supposed to
restore it as close as possible to the original
condition that you have.
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Again, if you had a problem where my contractor
--my subcontractor was out on your property, and we
tore off your ground maybe with a four-wheel truck or
something like that, you have a legitimate reason to
come up and say, yes, we want this area restored to
close as the original and that will be restored to
your liking. And, again, as Ron will tell you, yes,
that's within your rights to be able to come up and
ask for some sort of action in that regard, and we are
coming this time around to address all these issues.
First of all, you mentioned the fact that you
had people on your property that you didn't know who
they were. This time around we're coming on the
properties with some sort of identification. You
know, we will -- I will have the team wearing T-shirts
that will say Parsons Engineering Science or UXO, so
that when you see it, it will definitely have the name
of the project on it, and you will see all the guys
will have something that's more of a uniform apparel
on so that when you see them in your area, you will
know what they're up to.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
That's safety for them and us. •
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am.
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BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
You know, when you live -- when you live four
miles down a dirt road, somebody comes up on your
property and I'm by myself, I'm going to protect
myself.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
And another thing, let me add, as far as hanging
something on the door, we've got a dog that bites and
we've got another interior dog that bites, so I would
not do that.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
We wouldn't be -- okay.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
Put it in the mailbox.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
We'll put it in the mailbox or we'll do it
through the mail.
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
Yes.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
But that piece of information most definitely
needs to be adhered to.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Let me get these two gentlemen first since
they've been waiting awhile.
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BY MR. LAWTON BENTON: . :
My name is Lawton Benton, and I have two
questions. One is will be there any way you can go
ahead and do a report on the areas that you've already
done and while you're -- rather than wait until you
have it all done at one time?
BY MR. NESBIT:
You can't do it at one time. It has to be a
total process. The project includes all five. You
can't do a segment of it. It has to be one report
that encompasses the whole report on the project.
BY MR. LAWTON BENTON:
That report is going to give a direction on
which way to go. It's not going to give you a clean
bill of health on your property.
BY MR. NESBIT:
What it will do is it will give us, the Corps of
Engineers, the recommendation as to what should or may
be required to fulfill the needs of that property
based upon public use and public safety. Okay.
Now,
BY MR. LAWTON BENTON:
So each one might be different.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Each one may have a different recommendation.
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BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Judy Faircloth. If your property is not listed
on that list there, does that mean you're not
BY MR. NESBIT:
Affected?
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Yes.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
No, ma'am, it does not mean that. What I've
done on that list, that list is basically a list of
all the properties where a grid was placed on.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Okay.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Now, when I talk about the buffer, the exclusion
zone, the range that I drew around each of those
locations, it means that any other homes that falls
within that buffer, we have to make sure that nobody
is in that place of residence when we go to dig to
confirm the condition.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Earlier, maybe two months, we did receive a
notice in the mail that we'd be notified that we would
have to leave our homes for like half a day.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
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Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
But that's all we ever got was just a little
card in the mail, and we never got anything else.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
And nothing has happened during that period of
time.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Nothing has happened.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
Right.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Now we haven't seen anybody.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
And that's why the meeting, again, tonight.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Oh, okay.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
To get everybody back on line with the schedule.
BY MR. NESBIT:
See, what it is, there was such a span of time
between when they last worked in the area and what we
are now planning to do, I wanted to be certain that
you had the opportunity to know exactly what we've
done in the past, where we are right now and'where
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we're going before we proceeded any further. That was
something of a commitment I made to the folks back in
December, and I wanted to make certain that that
happens and that's the reason for it.
Yes, sir.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
You said you're still working in range three.
When are you going to be finished with that totally?
BY MR. NESBIT:
Well,
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Do you want to follow up on that, because that's
a little bit more involved in terms of what we're
doing there.
BY MR. NESBIT:
But what's going on, we're not dealing with the
entire range three at this point in time. We're
dealing with range three because we have an area
that's really infested with a lot of anomalies and
we're trying to actually identify what they are.
That's in range three area, the area that we're
looking at, is the hub of the target zone. Okay. And
if you remember from the very beginning I mentioned
that some of the information that we gathered from
range three, two and twenty hopefully would be a means
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of trying to help identify what would be in the other
locations as well, and we're trying to follow up on
that as well.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
The time frame to finish range three?
BY MR. NESBIT:
That's difficult to give an answer, but I would
suggest it would probably be, with what we have to do,
December, January.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
I'd say November, late November.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Potentially.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
November you would finish range three, the whole
range? '
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Now when we say finish
BY MR. NESBIT:
No. No. No. No. No. Just what
BY MR. RALPH TEAL: «
Or finished with your sampling. |
BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
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Sampling, yes.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
But the whole range would be done in February --
early November, the whole range?
BY MR. NESBIT:
The sampling, yes.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
The sampling.
Did I get your card, your business card?
BY MR. NESBIT:
I don't have one with me, but we have your name,
and I'll be glad to send you one.
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
Okay.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
I'll make a note, and you're Mr. Teal, correct?
BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
Yeah. Do you have a card?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
I'm sorry, I don't have it either.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
I will have it.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
But, you know, leave your name and address, and
we'll get you one.
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BY MR. RALPH TEAL:
Please.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
One other question. Judy Faircloth. The area
that's gray there, is that all the area that the golf
course is now encompassing?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am. From that map the area that's in
gray, the entire map is indicative of those properties
that we did not have right of entry to when we started
this work a year ago.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Okay. All of the houses that are being built
there now, have those areas been cleared?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
No, ma'am.
BY MR. NESBIT:
No, ma'am, not by us.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
We did go to them, explain to them two years --
two or three years ago about the fact that we're
beginning an EE/CA process that will involve
investigating the entire range, and they chose to not
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have us go out there to do any sampling. They were --
they had already been actively working the area,
moving dirt and building greens and all that, so they
felt confident with what they were doing.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Well, see, we've cleared more than ten acres of
land where we live. Of course, we've been there since
1954.
BY MS. FRANKIE PIERCE:
'54.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
I mean, we found all this stuff you're talking
about, but none of it was ever any real problem. We
used to -- like I said, we played with it when we were^
i children. There's piles of it everywhere we played with it.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Then I would like to talk to you about where
they are so I can let my team know.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
I'll have the kids come and show you. I mean,
there's holes over there where
BY MR. NESBIT:
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Oh, yeah, where the craters
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Yeah, little craters.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Oh, yes. Yes. Well, we do have --we have an
aerial photograph of all this area back in the '4 0s
and the '50s, and I had one made lately in the '90s so
that we had a comparison of what it was like in the
'40s and what is now, and we can still see some of
those bomb craters, you know, that are there; and so
that's evidence.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Yes.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
That's evidence of that.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Why -- why is it important now and it wasn't
important then? I mean, we never had anybody contact
us. In fact, my dad used to call when we would find
some of that stuff, and it wasn't a big deal. "Just
throw it away when you get through with it."
BY MR. NESBIT:
Well, one of the things since it's become a law
that we -- we, the government
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
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Clean up your mess.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Go back and clear and do our best to clean sites
that were used for these type activities. It -- the
priority has become more evident, because we are
finding things on these ranges. We are -- and there
are many found from the beginning such as you said,
but the importance in the change of attitude in
Washington and everywhere else, as well as in our
communities, have a different way of thinking about
how we address what we, the government, has done in
the past and how we're going to continue to do in the
future. So they're a lot more environmentally
conscious about what we have done and where we're
going to go. That's the primary reason.
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Is all of this come about since they found the
bomb?
BY MR. NESBIT:
The bomb where?
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
The bomb found on whatever, the bombing range
part of it.
BY MR. NESBIT:
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The one that was found on range three?
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Yes.
BY MR. NESBIT:
No, ma'am. This has been going on for awhile.
Now, the -- like Ola mentioned earlier on,
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Uh-huh (affirmative response).
BY MR. NESBIT:
When this project actually began -- what?
Three, four years ago?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Three.
BY MR. NESBIT:
That was prior to the location of this bomb.
The bomb that we are talking about -- and when you say
"bomb," I mean it has the connotation of major danger
and so on, and it should, but the bomb wasn't located
or found by -- by the owner until three, four months
ago. It hasn't -- not really that long, but two
months is when the bomb was actually found.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Well, this one that I'm talking about happened
when he was digging some dirt and it was about three
or four years ago, and they dug it up. Ever since,
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there's been --it seems like harassments going on.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Some type of activity?
BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:
Since you been on the property.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Well, that might have been increased potentially
the awareness that the site needed to have some
priority done to it. Okay. I can't say that it did
or it didn't.
BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:
Right.
BY MR. NESBIT:
But potentially it may have had some in the
past, but there are many other sites in the State of
South Carolina that we are looking at, and Conway is
one of two that we have an active project right now to
actually do what we are doing. The .other is Camp
Croft in Spartanburg, and we've been working on that
site for a number of years already.
This is the second one in the State of South
Carolina that we're working on, and one of the
problems, and whether --if you have connections or
whatever with your congressman or whatever, it's a
factor that funding has been a major issue for the
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slowness of how long it's taken really to get from A
to B to C. We're only funded so much money a year,
and you're trying to get as much accomplished within
that period of time. That's one of the reasons --
that's the primary reasons why we lost so much time
when you gave the initial right of entry. This
project is active right now, and I'm doing my best to
keep it active until we're finished, and the only way
I will be able to do that is if I can meet my goals,
and my goal right now is to complete, as far as the
data gathering phase, which is the EE/CA, the early
phase of it, by the end of September. That's my goal,
and your help will help me do that.
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
How far have you gotten on the Bombing Range
Road, Willard Road, and what have you
BY MR. NESBIT:
Willard Road?
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Yeah, have you contacted them on that?
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
It's right
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
It's
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BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
On that part of the property.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Right across from area D.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Across from area D.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
No, down.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Down here?
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
On this side.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
On this side.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Willard Road.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Oh, Willard Road. I'm sorry. Are you talking
about this portion of it, ma'am?
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Right.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Our investigation does not extend into that
area. The reason why, again, is what I explained
earlier, that
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BY MR. NESBIT:
It's outside the buffer zone.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yeah, our investigation is focused around where
the target zone was back in the '40s and the safety
zone around that target zone.
BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:
So therefore it is not going to interfere with
Willard Road?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Up to this portion it does, but up to here, this
is the cutoff right here on Willard Road. If you come
up on Dewit Circle, and then you come on Willard Road,
you know, that will be the last point right there
where -- right, you know, by Sandhill Lane.
BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:
Yes.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Right.
BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:
And that's what I'm talking about. Have you
been there? < i
BY MR. AWOSIKA: •
In Sandhill, yes, ma'am. I .
BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:
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Yes, what did you find there?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
We got a couple of hits in that area. Are you
-- are you from that area, ma'am?
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Off of Sandhill Lane. Yes, sir, I am.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Oh, there you go. Because we've been trying to
catch up with folks that live in that area so that we
can work out an arrangement about how we can go back
in there and finish up the investigation that we're
doing.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Right.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
I personally came out there about two months ago
to do a head count on the number of homes that are on
Sandhill Road, you know, and I came up with, I think
based on my estimate here, about eight or ten houses
on Sandhill Road --on Sandhill Road alone.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
I don't know about that.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Okay. But -- yeah, one of the things I was
trying to do was to make contact with people living in
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this area so that we can inform you about the
activities that are coming up, how we intend to do the
work, and also to give a feedback from you as to how
we can get on your property to'do the work that we
have to do.
We only have right now two rights of entries on
the parcels of land on Sandhill, and what we're going
to try to do here is that we need to inform --we
don't need to get on the properties of the other
people that are there, but when we are doing our work,
the right of entry, the hits that we have is on the
parcel of land where we have the right of entry.
However, the other homes within the perimeter of
BY MR. NESBIT:
Safety zone.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
the safety zone is where we have to dig, and
we need to talk with the property owners and let them
know that, okay, we're going to be digging at this
location and also they need to be out of their homes
when we're doing the work in that vicinity.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Don't go away with your stick.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am.
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BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
I'm Judy Faircloth. As best I can tell, my
house is right in here somewhere.
BY MS. FRANKIE PRINCE:
Down lower.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Well, no, here's Long Bay Road.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
That's Long Bay Road, yes.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH: '
We've got to be in here somewhere, guys.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
You're sure you're not down here somewhere?
BY MR. COLEMAN:
Right on top of the gray area, Judy.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Oh, the gray area.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
We can't be way down there, guys. We only live
a half mile from this intersection.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
That's okay. That's all right.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
A half a mile.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
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What you're trying to find out is are you in
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
I want to know if we're in the white area, the
green area, gray area.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
What's your address on that road, ma'am?
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
It's 3450.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
3450. Sure, you know, Mr. Coleman and his wife,
right, because you weren't familiar with that.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
See, they're way down there.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yeah, they're over here.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Four miles to their house.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
Judy, I believe you're in the white area.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
There's some homes here, see. These are homes
right here, ma'am.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
That's what I thought, but that's
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
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These are homes right here, one, two, three.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Those three little clumps there, those are
probably where we live.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
One, two, three right here, and that's
BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:
That's where they live.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
So that's where your house is right here.
BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:
You're in the white area.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
Okay. So we don't really need to worry at all.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
You don't need to worry at all because actually
I have a location that's close to you.
BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:
And you're going to clean ours up.
BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes, sir.
BY MR. TERRY HILL:
That's not really in the target area, but \
general area is also going to be looked at?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
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The portion on Willard Road is.
BY MR. TERRY HILL:
How far?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Up to Sandhill.
BY MR. TERRY HILL:
My name is Terry Hill.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Terry Hill.
BY MR. TERRY HILL:
I stay at 3227 on Willard Road.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Okay. Yeah, if you live anywhere from Dewit
Circle to the section of Sandhill Road from there,
yes. If you live outside that area, then, you know,
you won't be impacted on that road.
BY MR. TERRY HILL:
What's the time frame when you get to that
particular point?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Again, like I said, we will be there every
Thursday is when we'11 be working on ranges four and
seven.
BY MR. TERRY HILL:
About what time frame, say if we give you right
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of entry, what time frame?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
It's going to be the month of August.
BY MR. TERRY HILL:
Okay.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
And it's going to be any time from the morning
until about 5:00 in the evening. Now,
BY MR. TERRY HILL:
8:00 to 5:00.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Now, that does not mean we're going to be on
your property the whole day. It's basically the
number of targets that we have to investigate. It
should not take us much more than two to three hours
at each of these days that we're working.
BY MR. NESBIT:
And hopefully we'll notify you in advance so
you'll know pretty much when it's going to be morning
or evening.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
When we get to Sandhill, we only have -- I only
have a total of -- on the Sandhill property, you know,
I only have a total of three anomalies. They'll be
done with that digging in an hour.
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BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
At the worst case scenario, two hours.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Now, what we'll be.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Pardon me, ma'am?
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
What did you -- repeat what you said.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
I said we'll be done with our digging in three
hours at the worst case scenario. In three hours
we'll be out of there.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
On Sandhill Road?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
So on what area -- what number is that?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
The anomaly that I -- the anomalies that I have
to dig is actually on Smith, Michael and Verene
{phonetic spelling} Williams.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
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So therefore that's a little further now. It
will be on the big green property.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Just one area off of it?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY: i
You don't need to be messing with the other
houses there?
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
I don't need to dig at any other houses. The
only thing we need to do with the other
BY MR. NESBIT:
Just in the safety zone.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
residents, with their permission, that
you're in the safety zone. So you can't be there
while we're digging because the whole thing -- the
whole -- the whole idea behind that is before we start
to dig, and we dig a bomb, and God forbid
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Yes.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
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the bomb is live and it goes off, and you
live in your house, and we're not digging at your
house, the bomb has the likelihood of being able to go
back to houses, as well. So for the safety everybody
within 2 75 foot buffer around that location.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
So, therefore, I don't have to worry about it.
BY MR. NESBIT:
At this stage.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
At this stage. I'm right at it.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am, and we'll come in there, you know.
BY MR. NESBIT:
What I'm going to do is I'm going to let Suzy
sort of give a roundup on how we put the information
out in terms of notification for the meetings and so
on.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
For anymore meetings we have established a
mailing list. We'll get a flier, and hopefully that
told you about the first meeting this evening. We
also advertise in an advertisement through the four
local newspapers. We do not have a website
established yet for notification over the internet,
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but once'that's established, that will also be another
opportunity. So that's how we notify you about the
upcoming meetings.
BY MR. NESBIT:
That's one of the reasons for you to sign in
your name so we can get your name and address so we
can actually send that to you.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Back to the question I asked earlier, so
therefore this meeting engineered is different from
the wetland meeting engineering?
BY MR. NESBIT:
Yes, ma'am. '
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
Yes, ma'am. It's a totally separate meeting.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
It's totally separate?
BY MR. NESBIT:
It's totally separate.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
Okay.
BY MR. NESBIT:
That's why I asked you the question when you
said what you did.
BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:
:
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So therefore I need to
BY MR. NESBIT:
It sounded like a wetland problem.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
As a matter of fact, this job that we're doing
here.
BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:
That's all I wanted to know.
BY MR. AWOSIKA:
We cannot even dig in the wetland. So this is
what is standing in the way on this one.
BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:
That's what I wanted to know. So that ends the
meeting?
BY MR. NESBIT:
Unless there are some other questions or
comments.
(NO RESPONSE)
BY MR. NESBIT:
Okay. Well, thank you very much for coming.
There are a lot of folks that left, but I think it has
been very informative event meeting tonight.
BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:
If there's something going on in my area, I sure
do want to know what it is.
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BY MS. NESBIT:
Ma'am, believe me, you need to be here.
BY MS. MCKINNEY:
You have the toll free number. Feel free, if
you haven't heard anything in awhile, give us a call
and we'll update you on any information.
(MEETING CONCLUDED AT 8:10 P.M.)
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