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The Quest for Consistently Incorrect Models

Nick Brown

21-08-2012

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1.5 Million People

6000 km2

1.5 Million People

6000 km2

7500 Staff

7500 Staff

6 modellers

AC Stormwater Unit

• 140 people

• Projects

• Operations

• Consents

• Planning

– Predict flooding

– $70M/annum capital works to address flooding

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b1 brownn2, 19/08/2012

3rd July 2012

• 100 year event in Auckland

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3 July 2012

Recent 100 Year Events

3 July 2012

28 Jan 2011

Recent 100 Year Events

3 July 2012

28 June 2000

28 Jan 2011

Recent 100 Year Events

3 July 2012

28 June 2000

28 Jan 2011

30 Dec 1988

Recent 100 Year Events

3 July 201222 May 1985

28 June 2000

28 Jan 2011

22 May 1985

30 Dec 1988

Recent 100 Year Events

3 July 201222 May 1985

30 June 1979

28 June 2000

28 Jan 2011

22 May 1985

30 Dec 1988

Recent 100 Year Events

Expect 100yr Event every

3 Years

3 July 201222 May 1985

30 June 1979

28 June 2000

28 Jan 2011

22 May 1985

30 Dec 1988

Recent 100 Year Events

Expect 100yr Event every

3 Years

Expect significant Event >20 times per year

The Modelling

Model Reviews

• ~50 Models reviewed

• Many many problems

• <1 in 3 useable

Model Reviews

3 Categories

• Less than Ideal

• Theoretically Correct

• Good model – wrong scope

Model Reviews

3 Categories

• Less than Ideal

• Theoretically Correct

• Good model – wrong scope

Less than Ideal

• Pervious & Impervious - same runoff

• Catchment Boundary wrong

• Model extents wrong – starts below area of interest

• Upstream storage not considered

• No reticulation included

• Schematisation poor

• Survey data not used

Pond outlets

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D=1050 mm

C=3300 mm

D=1050 mm

C=3300 mm

Reality = 1050mm Orifice Modelled as 3300mm Weir

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Horizontal Orifice Weir Discharge (l/s)

2m less head

2D Rapid Flood Hazard

200 m3/s too low

Calibration

Gauge

Gauge

Calibrated travel time 2 hrs

Gauge

Calibrated travel time 2 hrs

Gauge

Calibrated travel time 2 hrs

Gauge

Calibrated travel time 2 hrs

Calibrated travel time 0.5 hrs

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Gauge

Calibrated travel time 0.2 hrs

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Calibrated travel time 0.2 hrs

10 m/s

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Calibrated travel time 0.2 hrs

10 m/s

10 m/s for 9.58 Seconds

Not for 600 Seconds

Hydrographs - Hydrology

Model Cross Sections

25.0

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Surveyed

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Surveyed

Water Level

Storage

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Culverts

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MOUSE Model Culvert ManualModel

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MOUSE Model Culvert Manual

Flow 11.5 m3/s

MOUSE model 3.5 m

ModelModel

Model

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MOUSE model 3.5 m

Culvert Manual 6.0 m

Difference 2.5 m

2.5m

Model

Model

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MOUSEModel

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Culvert Manual

Velocity & Inlet Losses

HERE

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HERE

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Normal Manhole

Wrong Node Type

• 2D outfall

• outlet

Theoretically Correct

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With Bank Marker, n = 0.08

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Channel n = 0.04 &

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Stream Conveyance Estimation

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Stream Conveyance Estimation

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2 ¼ > Flow @ same Elevation

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Floors Flooded

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Floors Flooded

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Floors Flooded

Good Model Wrong Scope

• Grid to large for ground slope

126 m

116 m

10m Elevation change across grid

126 m

116 m

10m Elevation change across grid

121.2 m Predicted Flood Level

Review Summary

• Easily double or halve flow

• Results precise but not accurate

• Floodplains wrong by +/- 3m

• Results cannot be used to set building floor levels

• Results cannot be used to scope projects

The Plan

• Outsource commodity work

• Specifications are for commodity work

• Keep high risk work in-house

• Review all models (external & internal)

• Create Specification & standard review method

• Rolling 10-15 year programme to model all catchments

Model Quality

Best PracticePoor

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Consultants

Hydrology

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Minimum NOT Maximum Standard

Specifications

• Mix of Specification and Guideline

– Instruction and Advice

• Basis for modelling contracts

• Details modelling process

• Updated as needed

• Basis for commodity work

• Allows best practice to be captured so you know which model was produced using which understanding of best practice

What do they Cover

• Flood Modelling

• Rainfall/Runoff method

• Hydraulics

• Report structure

• Deliverables

• Modelling Process

• Content and look of maps

• Includes standard council model review form

Summary

• We don’t know everything

• We do know something

• We don’t know necessarily what is right

• Specification sets a minimum standard

• To manage a modelling and capital works programme need consistency

• Provide consistently incorrect models

Questions

What they don’t cover

• Continuous simulation

• Modelling of non-extreme events

• LID modelling

• Stream erosion

• Geomorpholigical change assessment

• Blockage scenarios

What they are weak on

• Options analysis

• Flood Damage assessment

• Flood Hazard Assessment

• Report mapping format